Saulakes-Colchis-Turkic-Solak

Saulakes

Kolchis Başbuğu (Aietes'in soyundan) Bana hemen Türkçe 'solak' sözcüğünü hatırlattı. Proto Türkçe'de 'sol' var. Genel görüşe göre solak ise Moğolca 'solagay' dan Türkçe'ye geçme. Aradaki benzerlik kuşkusuz. Bence. Osmanlı Türkü askeri birlik kuruyor bu adla.

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English Version

Saulakes Chieftain of Kolchis (descendant of Aietes)

 It immediately reminded me of the Turkish word sol for'left'. There is a root > 'sol' in Proto Turkish. According to the general opinion, left-handed comes from Mongolian 'solagay' into Turkish.

 The similarity is unquestionable. According to me. 

 Ottoman Turks are establishing a military unit under this name

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PICS:

Saulakes - Solak - Colchis' King

Gülensoy's etymo

military unit by Ottoman Turks

Proto Altaic and Proto Turkic roots

PreGreek-sisura-ProtoAltaic-sisu

 

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SISURA: İskit halklarının giydiği kalın tüylü etek, kabarık, kürklü etek

               a thick shaggy skirt, fluffy, fur skirt worn by the Scythian peoples

Acc. to Wiktionary:  Related to σίσυρνα (sísurna) and σίσυς (sísus). According to Furnée, from Pre-Greek.

Other Pre-Greek related words:

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Now look at:

Proto Altaic:

*sísu ( ~ z-) to baste, cloth: Tung. *sise-; Mong. *sisegej; Jpn. *súsuá; Kor. *sɨs-.

PTung. *sise- 1 to baste 2 list (of clothes) (1 приметывать, наметы- вать 2 оторочка): Man. sise- 1, sisexen 2.

◊ ТМС 2, 99. Attested only in Manchu, but having probable external parallels.

PMong. *sisegej felt (войлок): MMong. sisgai (HY 22, SH), isgai (SH), sisəkəj, sisukej (MA), sīseke (Lig.VMI); WMong. isegei, esegei (L 416); Kh. esgij, isgij; Bur. hejɨ / hegej; Kalm. išk; Ord. esegī; Mog. siskei (Weiers); Dag. šisegī, šidegī (Тод. Даг. 184), šidehe (MD 215); S.-Yugh. skī; Mongr. sg (SM 346), səgī.

◊ KW 211, MGCD 413. Mong. > Man. sisxe etc., see Doerfer MT 80, Rozycki 185.

PJpn. *súsuá lap, skirt (подол): OJpn. suswo; MJpn. súsó; Tok. sùso; Kyo. súsó; Kag. susó.

◊ JLTT 535.

PKor. *sɨč- to baste (приметывать): MKor. sɨs-; Mod. sičhi-. ◊ Nam 322, KED 1042.
‖ Lee 1958, 117.
PKor. *sti belt (ремень): MKor. sti; Mod. t:i.
◊ Nam 177, KED 550.
‖ SKE 239. Note Khak. sɨzɨm = PM *siǯim, but hardly a loan from

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*sido ( ~ -u, *sudu, š-) tassel, string: Mong. *siǯim, *sidem-; Turk. *sɨd-; Kor. *sti.

PMong. *siǯim, *side- 1 thin string, rope 2 to sew with wide stitches (1 тонкая веревка 2 шить крупными стежками): WMong. siǯim, sideme-sü(n) (L 697, 722) 1; Kh. šiǯim 1, šid- 2; Bur. šežem 1; Kalm. šiǯm, šidmsn 1, šidə- 2; Ord. šiǯim 1; Dag. šiǯi- 2 (Тод. Даг. 183); Dong. šiǯie- 2.

◊ KW 355. Mong. > Turk. siǯim etc. (ЭСТЯ 7), Man. siǯin (Doerfer MT 138, Rozycki 180); Oyr. šidä-; Yak. sitim, Dolg. hitim (Kał. VIII 82, Stachowski 105).

PTurk. *sɨd- 1 skirt, lap 2 to tuck up (sleeves, skirts) (1 пола, подол 2 подворачивать (рукава, полы)): Karakh. sɨδɨɣ 1, sɨtɣa- 2 (MK); Tur. siɣ, sij, siji (dial.) 1, sa-, dial. sɨɣa- 2; Gag. suva-, sua- 2; Turkm. sɨj 1; Tat. sɨjɨr- 2 (dial.); Khak. sɨzɨm ‘band on a shaman’s beater’; Chuv. šъraś ‘tas- sel (on the end of belt); coating (on skirt edges)’.

◊ EDT 799-800, ЭСТЯ 7.

Mongolian, and pointing to a common derivative *sido-mV.

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Similar? Possible? Impossible?

Scythian had words from Turkic and Mongolian langs. Sure.

Those words above could be the roots for this Pre "Greek" word.

Uzunbacak Adem

Paulys-RE-Topic-titles-with-focus-on-Turkic-Letter-UVWXZ

 

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Paulys-RE-Topic-titles-with-focus-on-Turkic-Letters-UVWXZ

Hello,

the new letters I have examined by Paulys RE > UVWXZ

I focused on the names related to Scythians, Sarmatians, Huns, Turks and looked up the possible Turkic etymologies!

Source: Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

Paulys RE

There are many words! Look:

Paulys	Meaning	Info	Turkic	Meaning	Other Info
Valdasus	a river name		su	water
Vidasus	Illyrien deity of the hot springs		su	water
Vetissos	a Phrygian place		su	water
Ulios	epithet of Apollo		ulu	big, great	Old Turkic: ul-: to get older
Ulo	epithet of Demeter		ulu	big, great	Old Turkic: ul-: to get older
Uptar	Hun king	>Oktar	okta-:	to be courageous	see Oktamasades
Urdaus	A castle in Thracian		urda/orta	military camp
Odysseus	a popular character		oduz	marshall	?
Xerobates	a river name	was generally dry	šer: earth	bat-: to sink, to get into	yerebatan?
Zakatai	a tribe in Sarmatia Asia		caka: small child	tai: mountain
Zaratai	Ptolemy’s Scythian tribe	Saratai	Sari: yellow	tai: mountain
Zargidaua/Zargidava	A Dacian town	Ζαργίδαυα	PTurk. *sark- to drip, ooze (капать, стекать по капле, сочиться): Karakh. sarq- (MK); Turkm. sar(ɨ)q-; MTurk. sarq- (AH); Uzb. sa(r)qi-; Krm. sarq-, sarx-; Tat. sarqɨ-; Bashk. harqɨ-; Kirgh. sarɨq-; Kaz. sarɨq-, sarqɨ-; KKalp. sarɨq-; Kum. sarq-; Nogh. sarq-; Khak. sarɨx-; Tv. sarɨq-; Chuv. sərɣən-.  ◊ VEWT 404, EDT 847-848, ЭСТЯ 7.  ‖ A Western isogloss. Note some of the Turkic derivatives (Kum. sarqɨm ‘thin flow’, Tat. dial. sarqɨm ‘thick whey left after pressing curds’ etc., see ЭСТЯ 7) which may speak in favour of the original meaning ‘to ooze, be filtered’. In this case the root may actually be derived from *srV ‘to be rare, thinned out’ (q.v.) (assuming that length in TM was secondarily shortened); cf. especially the common Western derivative *sār-k ̔V ‘maw used for filtering / fermenting’.	Sarg: very thin; mud	oba: dwelling place, muddy oba?
Zigae	A Sarmatian tribe near Danube		Tur. čɨɣaj, čɨɣan  ÇIGAY/ÇIGAN	poor, scarce, mischief, impolite, rough	>Çingene : Gypsy
Zilmissus	A Thracian place name		su	water
Ziridaua	A Dacian town		oba	dwelling place
Zopyra/Zopyros	Person’s names		Proto Turkic *čopur 1 pock-marked, variegated 2 badly bred, sloppy 3 to appear (of rash, furuncles) (1 пестрый, рябой 2 непороди- стый, неряшливый 3 высыпать (о сыпи, чирьях)): Tur. čopur 1; Gag. čɨbar- 3; Az. čopur 1; Turkm. čopur 1; MTurk. čubar ‘cheval gris de fer’, čibar ‘grey, mottled (horse)’ (Pav. C.); Uzb. čipɔr 1; Uygh. čipa(r) 1; Krm. čɨbar, cɨbar 1; Bashk. säbärt- ‘to appear (of rash on lips)’, sɨbar 1; Kirgh. čobur 2; Kaz. šubar 1; KBalk. čapɨr- 3, čubar 1; KKalp. šubar 1; Kum. čapɨr- 3, čopur 1, čubar ‘variegated’; Nogh. šubar 1; Tof. šubar 1.  ◊ VEWT 116, 118-119, Егоров 320, Федотов 2, 403. An expressive and late attested root; appears, however, to be reconstructable for PT. The original shape is probably *čap- (preserved in čap-ɨr- ‘to appear (of rash)’, with further labial assimilation into *čopur. The frequently attested variant čupar > čubar is most probably a result of contamination *čopur and *čubar (reflected in Tat. čuwar, Kirgh. čār that can only reflect *-b-).  PJpn. *səmpa freckles (веснушки): Tok. sobakasu.  ‖ KW 429, Владимирцов 255. Cf. also Neg. čaw, čawụ ‘rash’ ( < Mong.?). An expressive root, with a number of contaminations and irregularities.	pock-marked
Zurobara	A Dacian place		ara	between, yer
Zusidaua	A Dacian place		oba	dwelling place
Zygaktes	A Dacian river		akti:	flown	çok?

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Thanx Herr Pauly!

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Uzunbacak Adem

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