Thracian-endings-dava-dova-daba-and-Turkish-oba-opa

Names of Thracian/Dacian towns and fortresses 

Trakça yer adlarından, sonu, köy ve kasaba anlamına gelen

“-dava, -dova, -daba” sonekiyle bitenlerden örnekler vereyim!

Ancient Settlements in Dacia / Thrace

Burada gördüğümüz -dava-dova-daba ekleri Ön-Türkçe clan/family anlamına gelen *ōpa ile benzeşir ve bu yeradlarına bakınca da anlamsız değillerdir. 

-d- kaynaştırma harfi olmalı.

Şimdi “-dava, -dova, -daba” eklerinden den önce gelen, elyazmamdaki özellikle şu sözcüklere bir bakın: Aykızı Kapı Karşı Kumlı Belen Tavus

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Bu soneklerin aşağıdaki ÖnTürkçe sözcüklere hem yapı hem de anlam bakımından benzerlikleri dikkat çeker.

Ön-Türkçe clan/family anlamına gelen *ōpa

benzer

Proto-Turkic ōpa meaning village / clan

Ve Ön-Türkçe valley/cavity anlamına gelen *oba

Proto-Turkic oba > cavity, valley

* Bağlantı: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_cities_in_Thrace_and_Dacia

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Benim tezim şudur:

Traklarda(Daklarda) en azından, yönetici elitler Türkçe konuşuyorlardı ve yaşadıkları yerlere Türkçe adlar veriyorladı. Nokta.

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ENGLISH VERSION

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Thracian place names ending with “-dava, -dova, -daba, etc...”, (the ending means village and town, acc. to wikipedia).

>wiki about Thracian Toponyms

Let me give examples of those ending with a suffix!

´Thracian toponyms ending with dava-dova-daba, etc...

The suffixes -dava-dova-daba, which we see here, are similar to *ōpa, which means clan/family in Pre-Turkish, and they are not "fantastic" when we look at these placenames:

(I assume, -d- is a buffer letter). 

Now take a look at the words in my manuscript that come before the suffixes "-dava, -dova, -daba":

Aykızı

Kapı

Karşı

Kumlı

Belen

Tavus

These are undoubtedly Turkish words. 100%

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It is noteworthy that these suffixes are similar to the following Pre-Turkish words both in terms of structure and meaning.

*ōpa, which means clan/family in Proto-Turkish

And *oba, which means valley/cavity in Proto-Turkish (surely a suffix/word for toponyms)

My thesis:

Among the Thracians, at least the ruling elites spoke Turkish and gave Turkish names to the places they lived. Fullstop.

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UPDATE: Dava/Daba/Daya/Deba could be TAU/TAG/DAW/DAG (Turkish mountain) too...

GÜNCELLEME: 

Dava/Daba/Daya/Deba da TAU/TAG/DAW/DAG (dağ) da olabilir...

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Sources:

https://starlingdb.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?basename=\data\alt\altet&root=config&morpho=0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_cities_in_Thrace_and_Dacia

Thrakian-Saratocos-Turkish-SariTavuk

SARATOCO-SARATOCOS-SARI TAVUK

Daha önce ‚Kelt’ Başbuğu Caratacu-s > KaraTaku-s > Karatavuk ~ Karakuş hakkında yazmıştım.

Ayrıntılı bilgi: Caratacus > Karatavuk

Ondan sonra bir tane daha KUŞ buldum:

Trak Başbuğu Saratoko-s > SarıTavuk’u ~(Ak~Sarı) Kuş’u buldum. 2500 yıl önce doğmuş. Araştırmlalarıma göre bu Trak Başbuğu, Cotys / Kotuz (ÖzTürkçe Yak Öküzü) adlı Trak Başbuğu'ndan sonraki ikinci Türk adlı Trak'tır.

Cotys hakkında yazmıştım; ayrıntılı bilgi: Cotys / Kotuz

Tekrar Sarı Tavuğa gelirsek: 

Bu uzun saçlı Trak yiğidinin parasının turasında kendi yüzü var, yazısında ise Türk damgalarına çok benzeyen bir işaret! Bakın, görün!

Coin-Münze-Para-Saratoco-Saratokos-Sarı Tavuk

Çeşitli Türk Runları - Turkish Runes

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Bence Saratoco / Saratocos adlı yiğidin adı Türk köklü olması mümkündür.

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ENGLISH VERSION

I wrote about 'Celtic' king Caratacus and assumed that the name was of Turkish origin

Caratacu-s > KaraTaku-s > Black hen ~ Blackbird 

 For more information: Caratacus < Kara Tavuk

And now we look at Thracian king Saratoko-s! 

His name Sara Toco is a derivation of Sari Tavuk (Sari = White~Yellow); Tavuk > Hen ~ Bird, I assume.

This Thracian King Saratoco is the second Turkish-named Thracian after Cotys / Kotuz (Turkish word for Yak). 

 Detailed information about Cotys: Cotys < Kotuz

As for Sari Tavuk ~ Yellow Hen again: This long-haired Thracian hero has his own face on the heads of his coin, and his inscription on the other side is a sign very similar to Turkish signs/runes ! Look and see!

I think, it is very probable that the name of this Thracian King is a Turkish one.

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UPDATE 13.08.2023

under the link Saratokos coin we see on the reverse side a "sign" ( according to me a tamga (Middle Asian / Turkic seal)

The author of that article is not sure about this sign, he says something about them (It could be SAP) but he is not sure. He is writing with a ? and comments with "most probably". I don't see there A or P.

Sigma is ok, with imagination I could see it, too.

He is not sure, because they are not Greek letters. 

Now look at his comments: 

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Turkish-Coepre-Greek-Tsipouro-Hungarian-seproe

τσίπουρο - tsipouro - A sort of Greek RAKI 

A nice Turkish word of material culture in Greek  (since 14th C) and in Hungarian langs.

τσίπουρο - tsipouro 

a Greek RAKI made of pomace

🇬🇷τσίπουρο < 🇹🇷çöpre < çöp = 🇬🇧residue of grapes/pomace

> ~🇭🇺seprő (=🇩🇪Bodensatz)

source:

István Vásáry's article about çöp

pics and other infos> wikipedia

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Thracian-Turkish-word-comparison

Skudrian (Thracian) soldier of the Achaemenid army, c. 480 BCE. Xerxes I tomb relief. (wikipedia)

 

180 Thracian words

under this link above we can see 180 Thracian words that the blogger has compared to Indo European languages. By this way he proves that these languages are related to each other.

I looked at this list yesterday and today. I find 31 equivalences between Thracian and Turkish languages. 

Look at my list: 

Thracian	Indo-European	Turkish	Meaning	Other Info
achel- ‘water (noun), water (adj.)	Lith. H Akẽlė, Phryg. akala‘water’	ak-	to flow
an(a) ‘at, on’	Avest. ana‘along’, Greek aná ‘at, along’, Goth. ana ‘at, towards’	yan	side	yan-: to turn
ant(i) ‘against’	Old-Ind. ánti‘against, nearby, the Lith. añt‘towards, against’, Toch. ānt‘through’, Greek antí ‘against’, etc.	ön	the front side, the face
apa, aphus ‘water, river; a spring’	Old-Pruss. ape‘river’, apus‘spring’, Old-Ind. p- ‘water’	ab-	to sprinkle, to flow
ars- ‘to flow; current, river’	Old-Pruss. RN Arsio, Arse, Old-Ind. árşati ‘to flow’, Hett. arš- ‘the same’	ark	water canal, river
arta(s), arda(s)‘current. river’	Old-Ind. árdati‘to flow’, Greek ardō ‘to bedew’	art	mountain pass
at ‘at, towards’	Latv. ad ‘at, towards’, Old-Icel. at ‘at, opposite to’	da	suffix for location
at(u) ‘current, stream’	Latv. RN Adula, German Attel, Avest. adu- ‘current, stream, channel’	at-: to sprinkle, to flow	like "beat" in Heartbeat
bur, buris (boris) ‘man’	Alb. burrë ‚man'	boris<bars>baris	pard	A name that many men had it in their names > Baybars
būzas ‘a goat’	Avest. būza- ‘a goat’	buzağı	oxen baby	old form buzāgu
chalas ‘mud’	Old-Bulg. kalə, New-Bulg. kal‘mud’, Czech kal‘swamp; mud, soft soil’	acc. to Nisandan: çal- veya çap- “çalmak, çamurla sıvamak”	çal-, çamurla sıva-”> çamur: mud, to plaster, to target with mud
dama ‘settlement, place for settling’	Old-Ind. dhāman- ‘place for dwelling’, Greek thaimós‘house’	dam, tam	tam- (v) to drop, > dam, tam: a construct, edifice to protect the „things“ from the outer effects (rain, wind)?	starlingdb: Proto-Altaic:*t`āma Meaning:wall, roof Russian meaning:стена, крыша Turkic: *Tām Mongolian:*tama Tungus-Manchu:*tamV- Korean: *tám Japanese:*tàmùruá tone (not corresponding to PT length). See VEWT459.
dumas ‘dark’	Lith. dū'mas‘dark, dark brown (for cattle)’, Latv. dms ‘dark brown’	duman<tuman	dark, very dark; fog	tum-: to get dark
et(e)r (=jeter-) ‘quick, agile’	Old-HighGerman ātar‘quick’, Latv. ãtrs ‘quick’	yet-	to catch up on
kersas ‘black’	Lith. kéršas ‘on black and white spots’, Bulg. cheren ‘black’, Old-Ind. krsná‘black, dark’	kara	black
ketri-, ketre- ‘four’	Greek tetra‘four’, Cymr. pedry- ‘four-fold’, Lith. keturì, Latv. četri, Bulg. četiri‘four’	dört<tört	four	Greek tettara, Gaulish tartos
kurp- ‘to burrow’	Lith. kur̃pti (-iù) ‘to burrow’, Russ. korpat’ ‘to burrow’	kır-	to dig, to cave in
kurta ‘groove, wood’	Old-Pruss. korto‘groove’ from the Baltic *kurtā	kurt	(wood)worm
ōstas ‘river mouth’	Lith. úostas,uostà ‘river mouth; a port’, Latv. uosts-, uosta ‘the same’, Latin ōstium‘river mouth’, Old-Bulg. uostije‘the same’	aas, aus, ās	mouth
paisa(s) ‘soot’	Lith. paišai‘soot’	is	soot	bus>pus : fog
siltas ‘warm, pleasant’	Lith. šitas ‘warm, pleasant’, Latv. sìlts ‘warm’, Cymr. clyd‘warm, warming’	ısın-	to get warmth, to get pleasant with sbd.	ısı: warmth,
skalp- ‘to beetle, to hit’	Lith. skabti (-biù, -biaũ) ‘to beetle, to dolly (for laundry)’	çak-	to hit, to make noise	?
suchis, sukis, suku(s) (-os) ‘girl’, resp. ‘boy, juvenile’	Cymr. hogen‘girl’, hogyn‘boy, lad’, Lith. sūnùs ‘son’, Old-Bulg. səin ‘son’, etc.	kız	girl, female
suka ‘a crack, a gorge, a pass’,	Lith. šùkė ‘a gap, a crack’	sık	narrow, to get narrow; a measure unit for land	Akkadian Pašāqu: to be narrow, difficult, troublesome
sula ‘groove’	Greek hýle‘forest, groove’	su	water
sunka ‘sap, fluid’	Lith. sunkà ‘sap (of a tree); fluid’	su	water
sura (zura) ‘current, stream’	Old-Ind. sirā' ‘current. stream’	su	water
suras ‘strong, brave; a hero’	Old-Ind. sū'ra-h‘a hero, a warrior’, Avest. sū'ra- ‘brave, courageous; a hero’	sü	soldier
turm- ‘a run, a flight’	Old-Ind. drámati‘to run’, Greek drómos ‘a run’	dur-	to stand up, to stay
vair-as (-us) ‘spinning’	Lith. vairùs, vairas ‘spinning’, Swed. vīrr ‘a spiral’	ör-	to knit, to spin	look at Turkish egir- to spin; evir-: to turn, to invert, to alter

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Not bad, ain't it?

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my sources:

https://starlingdb.org/

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