Ancient-Greek-taos-Turkish-tagu

 

Tavus-Taus-Tagu-Tavuk-Pfau-Peacock

Pre Greek word ταώς means peacock. 

Even English Wiktionary supposes an Old Turkic word tavuk < tağuk ~ tawuk for the Pre Greek word 

Look at wiktionary ταώς 

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Gülensoy says that there are so many similar words in Turkish dialects that this word can not be of foreign origin. 

Now look at the Turkish word TAVUK for English Hen

Possible?

Possible...

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Zeus-Ombrios-Ombros-Rain-Turkish-Yambir

 

Zeus-Ombrios-Raingiver-Rainbringer

Ombrios - The Raingiver / The Rainbringer is one of many epithets (surnames) of Zeus. 

Ombrios has to do with ombros meaning rain. This possible 'Pre-Greek' name has no convincing etymology.

And now my part: It could have a very great similarity to Proto Turkic root yag- meaning to rain, to pour.

Rain itself has the names like yağmur, yambur, yāmur, yamgur...

Similar? 

Similar...

look at Proto Turkic RAIN

And look at the etymology of Ombros by wiktionary.

Nothing whole and nothing half.

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A new epiclesis/nickname of Zeus I have found on the 24th of September 2022 > OGMENOS

Read here:

Zeus epiclesis OGMENOS

Zygius / 2 Proto-Turkic roots

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And island Imbros? 

An island with a name of uncertain etymology.

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Pre-Greek-Endings--sós-ssós-ttós-and-Turkish-SU

Pic: wiki > River Pilica, Poland

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About Ilisos we find this info by wikipedia:

"The Ilisos or Ilisus (Greek: Ιλισός, [iliˈsos]) is a river in Athens, Greece. Originally a tributary of the Kifisos, it has been rechanneled to the sea. It is now largely channeled underground, though as of June 2019 there are plans to unearth the river.^[1] Together with the neighbouring river Kifisos, it drains a catchment area of 420 km² (160 sq mi).^[2]

ETYMOLOGY:

Its name is in all probability Pre-Greek: it features the ending -sós/-ssós/-ttós, which it shares with many other toponyms in Attica and other rivers in Greece, all of which are considered linguistic substratum survivals."

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That means shortly:

If a word has the ending -sós/-ssós/-ttós in Greek

It is>Pre-Greek And it is >Not Greek There are a lot of water bodies (hydronym) (like rivers, seas, lakes) in Greece and Anatolia (and elsewhere) with these endings!

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Why is it interesting for me?

An ending without Greek etymology and it is the same word like Turkish water > SU

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And now we begin a series of blogs about the water bodies whose names include these 3 Pre-Greek endings> -sós/-ssós/-ttós

* First 2 rivers from Athens: Ιλισός> Ilisos (Modern Ilisus) > (~Ilısu? > (Turkish) warm water) Κήφισσος> Kifissos (Modern Kefisus) > (~Kıvısu? = (Turkish) Holy Water)

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Now look at the sources/pics by wikipedia:

Ilisos - A river in Athens without convincing etymology

Cephisus - A river in Athens without convincing etymology

Kephisos - A river in Athens without convincing etymology - Wiktionary

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TÜRKÇE:

Ilisos hakkında bu bilgiyi wikipedia'da buluyoruz: "Ilisos veya Ilisus (Yunanca: Ιλισός, [iliˈsos]) Yunanistan'ın Atina kentinde bir nehirdir. Aslen Kifisos'un bir koludur, denize yeniden kanalize edilmiştir. Haziran 2019'dan itibaren büyük ölçüde yeraltına kanalize edilmiştir. ...[1] Komşu nehir Kifisos ile birlikte, 420 km2'lik (160 sq mi) bir su toplama alanını boşaltıyor.[2] ETİMOLOJİ: Adı büyük ihtimalle Yunanca Öncesi: -sós/-ssós/-ttós sonunu içeriyor ve Attika'daki ve Yunanistan'daki diğer nehirlerdeki birçok yer adı ile paylaşıyor ve bunların hepsi dilsel alt tabaka kalıntıları olarak kabul ediliyor." Bu kısaca şu anlama gelir: Bir kelimenin Yunanca sonu -sós/-ssós/-ttós ise Bu>Yunanca öncesi bir dilden kalmadır Ve bu >Yunanca değildir. Yunanistan ve Anadolu'da (ve başka yerlerde) bu sonlara sahip çok sayıda su kütlesi (hidronim) (nehirler, denizler, göller gibi) vardır! * Benim için neden ilginç? Yunanca etimolojisi olmayan bu son ek ve Türkçe SU gibi, anlam ve ses bakımından aynı kelime. * Ve şimdi, adları bu 3 Yunan öncesi sonu içeren su kütleleri hakkında bir dizi blog yazmaya başlıyoruz> -sós/-ssós/-ttós * Atina'da akan ilk 2 nehir: Ιλισός> Ilisos (Modern Ilisus) > (~Ilısu? > (Türkçe) ılık su) Κήφισσος> Kifissos (Modern Kefisus) > (~Kıvısu? = (Türkçe) Kutsal Su) * Şimdi yukarıda wikipedia'daki kaynaklara/resimlere bakın!

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Roman-God-Tutanus-Turkish-root-tut

Il-Tutmush - Iltutmish

A very unknown God of Rome who protected Rome against Hannibal.

His name was TUTANUS. There is not much info about it, he is almost forgotten.

There are not many phrases about him:

Under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rediculus

we see this verse:

Noctu Hannibalis cum fugavi exercitum,
Tutanus hoc, Tutanus Romae nuncupor.
Hoc propter omnes, qui laborant, invocant.

When in the night great Hannibal I beat,
And forc'd his troops from Latium to retreat,
From my defense, Tutanus was my name:
By this the wretched my protection claim.^[3]

By Varro

>Marcus Terentius Varro (Latin: [ˈmaːrkʊs tɛˈrɛntiʊs ˈu̯arroː]; 116–27 BC) was a Roman polymath and a prolific author. He is regarded as ancient Rome's greatest scholar, and was described by Petrarch as "the third great light of Rome" (after Vergil and Cicero).^[1] He is sometimes called Varro Reatinus to distinguish him from his younger contemporary Varro Atacinus.

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there is no real etymology for his name, I only read once under 

http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/forbes/notes.html :

Tutanus - Tutan - Tutamen - to defend, to protect

Latin Tutamen means to protect, to defend.

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I think there is a startling similarity between Latin Tutanus and Turkish root tut-, meaning to hold, to hide, to be the owner of... Turkish Tutan(us) would be "the one who protects".

There are many names in Turkish history with this root like Iltutmish (Il-tutmush), see pic at the beginning.

Or the 3rd Kaghan of the Uygur Turks Bogus Khan has the title 

Tengrida Qut Bolmish El Tutmish Alp Külüg Bilge Qaghan

(Old Turkic: 𐱅𐰭𐰼𐰃𐰓𐰀∶𐰸𐰆𐱃∶𐰉𐰆𐰞𐰢𐱁∶𐰃𐰠∶𐱃𐰆𐱃𐰢𐱁∶𐰞𐰯∶𐰚𐰇𐰠𐰏∶𐰋𐰃𐰠𐰏𐰀∶𐰴𐰍𐰣 ( lit. 'Heaven blessed, Sovereign, Brave, Glorious Wise Qaghan')

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Look at the Turkish root tut- (source Eyuboglu)

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Shoulder-in-many-languages-especially-2-Ancient-Greek-ones

Body Parts in Sumerian Language - focus on Murgu - shoulder

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As I read the book Pre Greek Lexicon I came across two Ancient Greek words:

ὦμος (omos) an Ancient Greek word meaning shoulder. Etymology below:

ὦμος

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See also: ώμος, ωμός and ὠμός

Contents

• 1Ancient Greek
  • 1.1Etymology
  • 1.2Pronunciation
  • 1.3Noun
    • 1.3.1Inflection
    • 1.3.2Derived terms
    • 1.3.3Descendants
  • 1.4See also
  • 1.5References

Ancient Greek[edit]

Etymology[edit]

From Proto-Indo-European *h₃émōs. Cognates include Sanskrit अंस (áṃsa), Latin umerus, Old Armenian ուս (us), and Gothic 𐌰𐌼𐍃 (ams).

Pronunciation[edit]

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• IPA^(key): /ɔ̂ː.mos/ → /ˈo.mos/ → /ˈo.mos/

Noun[edit]

ὦμος • (ômos) m (genitive ὤμου); second declension

1. shoulder with the upper arm; also of an animal quotations ▼
   1. (particularly) shoulder (sometimes in contrast to the arm) quotations ▼

      Synonyms: πρῠμνὸς ὦμος (prumnòs ômos), πρῠμνότᾰτος (prumnótatos)

   2. shoulder of a dress quotations ▼

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there are any Indo European language to see. What about Altaic or Proto Turkic? Later. Below.

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There is an other Hesychian gloss

ἀμέσω (ameso) - a could-be Pelasgian word acc. to Frisk's Dictionary.

Frisk's explanation about omos 

Now when it is a Pelasgian word, it is no Greek or Indo European word.

There is an other source possible. Altaic, a language family that is as old as Indo European family.
Now look at:





Source:

Proto Altaic - Proto Turkic word for Shoulder 

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Did the Pelasgian speak an Altaic language?

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A-List-of-PreGreek-words-versus-Turkish-ones

I have examined the book of Robert Beekes  Book 

Pre-Greek

Phonology,

Morphology, 

Lexicon 

Edited by Stefan Norbruis, 2014

Pre Greek Lexicon Robert Beekes / Stefan Norbruis, 2014 / Brill

I have found these startling similarities:

Pre-Greek	Meaning	Turkish	Meaning	Other Languages	Other Info
τολύπη (tolupe)	ball	top<tolp<tolup	ball	Hittite : taluppa/i	tolup has the Turkish vowel harmony
thalassa	sea	taluy	sea, ocean	Proto Mongolian root : dala>wave, deep place	>Mythological peoples Dominoes /lived at Marmara Sea) and their King Cyzikos (Turkish KIZIK?)
βάραθρον  βέρεθρον  βέθρον (baratron)	cleft, abyss	bat-	to sink		batur-: to let sink in water
βυθός [m.] ‘depth (of the sea)’  BUTHOS	DEPTH	bat-	to sink	Chuvash: puthah ‚: to sink
βαθύς bathus	deep, twilight	bat-	to sink,	bat- (sun) sunset	PreGreek? a word with an uncertain etymo
γαῖα GAIA	earth	kaya	rock, a very big stone	German Stein: Weinberg
δνόφος - dnophos	dark, night	tün	dark, night
δρόσος Drosos	dew, pure water AND young animal	duru su	pure water	tur-: to stop, to wait	torun: Enkelkind, Grandchild
ἶρις  iris	rainbow	eğ-, iy. i- :	to bend, to curve
κνέφας  knephas	evening dusk, morning twilight	kün>gün	day, daylight, sun
σάλος (salos)	turbulent movement of the sea, earthquake	sal->to release, to throw salla-: to pass with a rafter >sal: rafter	salın-: to shake		derivation >σαλάσσω (salássō): to shake
στόνυξ (Stonyks)	peak of a rock, of a fang, of a claw	toynak, tunguk	the nail of an animal (generally of horse and donkey)	Turkish: tun-: to close	s-mobile?>tonyks?
φάραγξ (pharangks)	ravine, cleft, abyss	bere<bert-	to injure lightly,
χηρᾰμός •(khēramós	hole, cleft, hollow	kır-	to dig,		to engrave to scratch out
ἄνθραξ,  antrax	charcoal, rubin	yan-	to burn, to shine	ἀνδράχλη ἀγρία = semiz otu, yanmaya dayanıklı ot.	yandur-: to turn, to revolve, yandır-: (Modern Turkish) to let sth. burn, to make sth. burn
ἄσβολος (aspolos)= soot related to ψόλος(psolos)=soot	soot,	pus, bu	soot
βάλλεκα [?](balleka) · ψῆφον ‘pebble’	pebble (a material to build?)	balık/balçık	mud, swamp
θυμάλωψ - thumalops	piece of burning wood or charcoal	tuman	smoke,		<tu-: to close
κάχληξ, -ηκος  kakhleks, kakhlikos	pebble stone,	çakıl	pebble		OT çagıl, çıgıl = onom. the sound of the crushing stones
κίσηρις - kisseris	pumice stone	hışır taşı	pumice stone	<hışır onom. wenn things rub each other
πέλλα  pella	stone	bel	hill
σῆραγξ, -γγος  sirangs	cave hollowed out by water	sür-	to lead, exile, drive
ἀκακία  akakia	a tree	ağaç	tree		<ıġaç (Old Turkish)
ἄκαστος akastos	maple tree	ağaç	tree
Herodots Aces River in his Historia		ak= white, su: water	ak-: to flow
Ὦξος >Oxus	a river	Aksu= White water	Ögüz= river
ἄχερδος(ákherdos)	wild pear	kertme	wild pear	Hungarian körtvély>körte: pear.	Turkish kert-: to graft
ἐλαία, elaya	olive, olive tree	yağ	oil, butter	Nisanyan: Ermenice yeġ/yüġ իւղ"zeytinyağı" ile benzerliği muammadır. Ermenice sözcük Eski Yunanca wélaia > Latince oleum "zeytinyağı" eşdeğeridir.	Nisanyan dolaylı olarak Türkce ve Yunanca sözcük arasında bag kurar
κιρκαία, kirkaia	swallow-wort	karğılaç	swallow
διφθέρα(diphthera)	leather ,skin	deri	skin
σκάλοψ, skalops	mole	sokur	mole
ἀσκάλαβος  askalabos	gecko, lizard	keler	lizard	>kertenkele
βάλαγρος, balagros	a kind of fish	balık	fish
many word with -βος or πίος  mostly insects		bö, bo	insect	>Böcek bögü
οὔλαφος  oulaphos	corpse	öl-	to die	<ὄλλυμι (ollymi)	make an end of living beings
σιαγών, siagon	jaw, jawbone	çiğne, çeyne	to chew	Turkish yanak: Cheek	Proto Turkic *čAj-na- : to chew, to bite
στόρθυγξ,stór.tʰyŋks	cusp, tine (of an antler), fang, cape, etc	toynak, tungak, tırnak	nail, hoof	Proto Turkic *tubńa-k
φαλλός  fallos	penis	bel	belly; sperm, penis	Greek φάλης, -ητος (Sophr.) and βαλλίον	βαλλίον : bel???
ὠλίγγη, olinge	doze, short nap, short sleep; wrinkles beside the eyes, crow's feet	al-: take a rest; alangu-: to get tired	alın: forehead, front
κλανίον, klanion	bracelet	kol	arm
ἄσιλλα, asilla	yoke for carrying  basket	as-	to hang	asili: hung
δοίδυξ, doiduks	pestle	döv-:	to press	<tög-
κόρυς, korus	helmet	koru-	to protect
ξίφος  Ksipos	sword	kes-	to cut
πέλεκυς , pelekus	axe	balta	axe
τόξον  tokson	bow	ok	arrow
εὔληρα, evlira	reins	ip <yip	rope, string
γέφῡρα  gephura	bridge	köprü	bridge
ἄναξ, anaks	lord, kin	khan	lord, king
βασιλεύς beasileus	king	baš	king, the first
μέλλαξ: mellaks	young boy	bala	child
κάβαισος, kabaisos	glutton	kaba	big, fat	other cversion κᾰ́βᾰσος(kábasos)
βαλβίς, balbis	rope	baġla-	to bind, to tif down
αὐλή, aule	courtyard	ağıl	stockyard, sheepfold		Ancient Greek word
ὄρυμος  orumos	altar	orun	thron		Turkish or has to do with a hole in the earth now look at Greek word ὄρυγμα, ‘pit’, , ὀρυκτός dug, formed by digging
ψῡχή  psuke	aspiration, breath, life, vitality, soul (of the deceased), spirit’	pus, bus	bus-: to grieve; bu>bus=pus: breathe, to breathe; mist, fog, steam, vapor
ἀβέρβηλον  ἀβύρβηλον  aberbilon, abirbilon	much, heavy  great, burdensome	ağır	heavy, valuable, expensive
ἄγχραν  short sighted; ἄκαρον  blind		kör-	to see	Proto-Altaic:*gŏ̀re	göz: eye
ἄφνω	suddenly	anta	suddenly		ap: Turkish booster prefix
ἥρως  heros	lord, Beschützer	arı-	to get clean, to get pure		καθαρός clean < ARI-?
βριτύ  britu	sweet	bor	(red) wine		bar: fruit
γρῡπός  grupos	hooknosed, curved	egri: curved	burun: nose <bu? (steam)	bo: böcek? (animal?)	or bur-: to smell?
ἀκτή  akti	corn	ek-: to sow	Chuvash ak-: to sow	Hungarian eke: plough
κάγκανος, kangkanos	arid, barren, hunger, pain	kan-:	to be satisfied, without lacking of something	Sumerian kankal: hard soil
καρπάλιμος  karpalimos	swift. quick	çap-: to go swiftly, çabuk: fast	çap-: to get faster		çarup/çaruk: a kind of leather shoe
κραῦρος, κράμβος	similar meanings: dry, fragile	kuru	dry	Turkish noun kır: mountain, outside of the cultural spaces	kır-: to dig
σαλός, salos	foolish	salık, salım	foolish, rough, crude, impolite
ψόθος psotos	soot	is < ış	duman kokusu, duman izi	pus<bu	fog, smoke
ἐξαλαπάζω, eksalapazo	to drain, plunder, destroy	bosaltmak	to drain		al-: to take
Ὀδυσσεύς  odysseus	name	oduz	marshall
Κώρυκος, korukos	a place located at the mouth of the valley called Şeytan deresi, Corycus	koru-koy	koy: valley, koru: protect; kara: black

Ca. 70-80 words of 1000 I have found a possible etymology. Ok ok. If you believe, the Turkish language is not that old, I can not help you. Check them out. Convince yourself.

7,5 % is not bad. Am I wrong?

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