Some-Scythian-Thracian-names-and-their-Turkish-Etymology

 

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Here below some Scythian and Thracian toponyms and andronyms that could have a Türkic etymologies:

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Name	Who/What	Old Türkish equivalent	Meaning	Other Info
Artabanus/Artapanus	1 A commander of Xerxes from Hyrcania 2 The name of various kings of Parthia	Ertapan	male worshipper	a~e change by AR
Toxaris	A Scythian male name	toksar/toksarı	sarı: yellow/white	toksarı: dark yellow, orange? In KAzak dialect the color of the egg yolk. This name is being used in modern Türkiye as family name.
Teutares	A Scythian male name (who instructed Herakles how to shoot a bow)	Tutar	he who keeps	Tutar was a name in 16th C attested in Ottoman Türkish Society
Ebraittos/Abrytos	a city in Scythia Minor (Moesia)	Eb	Home/House
Tanusas	A Scythian male name (a king) who lived in Romanian Constance in 3rd C BC	tonguz: pig	tanuş-: recognize each other, become known	tanış/tanaş: baby of a pig in Anatolian Turkish; Tanış: a male name in 16th C in Anatolia
Bormanin/Gormanon	A Iazygian place	korıġ	forbidden zone (a place that is not for everybody free to enter)	Türkic korum: rock, cliff, heap of stones; Kurman: Bow—case,
Banadaspas	A Iazygian King	ban-	to tie,
Goneis	a Thracian town (Hadrianapolis)	kün: day	kün > south?
Drabos	A Thracian place	tur-	to stay	ab/eb: home
Entribae	A Thracian tribe	entür-: to bring down, to bend down	bay: rich
Dertallos	A Thracian castle	tört: 4	tal: branch, willow, tree	dört dal: 4 branches (a very old Türkic story about 4 forbidden branches of a tree)
Dingion	A Thracian castle	tıng-/tıng	1 spirit, breath 2 rest 3 to rest 4 to pant 5 to breathe 6 quiet 7 sultriness
Dimissos	A Thracian place	su	water
Gondrae	A Thracian tribe	kon-	to settle
Denizos	A Thracian castle	tengiz	sea, lake
Ergissenoi	(Ἐργισσηνοί), ethnic group from the Thracian site of Ergissa, mentioned in the inscription from Beroe (Stara Zagora). Kalinka Ancient Monuments in Bulgaria no. 161. Tomashek Thracians II 2, 55.	ergi	1 part of the yurt close to the door 2 threshhold 3 stairs	?ergiš: husband
Dioploi	A Thracian tribe/place ?	tüplü	noble	<tüp: root,
Skyrmiadai	A Thracian tribe	çıġır	a path	<yügür-: to walk
Autlebis/Atlebis	Thracian dynast	Atlı	he who has (got) a name	?bay: rich
Harpessos	A Thracian river	arpa: barley	su. water	a very Türkish name for a river
Apsinthos	A Thracian river	Ab-: to spring	+sVn: a suffix that makes a verb from an other word with a meaning pf „as if“
Maisades	Father of the Thracian Prince Seuthes	Bay: richt	?>baysı, ?ata
Bdekyra	A Thracian village	bedük-kır	big mountain, big steppe
Bergaios	Thracian prince around 400–350 BC	berk: strong	ay: moon	Berkay! there are many names that are ending with +ay
Donuca	A Thracian mountain	Tonuk	ton: to freeze + suffix uk > frozen
Brentopara	A Thracian village	ara	a place in between
Bettegerri	A tribe in Thrace	bitig: script	er: man/men
Byzes	A Thracian dynast	buzau	calf
Gildoba	A Thracian town	Oba	dwelling place
many +ARA toponyms	many toponym ending with +ARA	ara	place in between	Like Germisara
Kalindoia	City in the Thracian Bottice	kalın	numerous, crowded, dense	also see kal-: to be placed, to be left, to remain
Heros	The so-called Thracian Rider	er	man, soldier
Bizye	A Thracian place	biz: A thick, large sewing needle with a flat and curved tip, used for sewing sacks and similar coarse fabrics.	an other version of biz is biyez
Sapaioi	A Thracian tribe	sap-: 1 to leave the way, go astray, deviate 2 sideway 3 dodge, trick	>sapa: deviating
Orbelos	Mountains in the Macedonian-Thracian border region.	or: higher place	bel: mountain pass
Orthagoria	a city in Thrace	orta: the middle, where the chieftain sits	korıġ: forbidden zone
Kotys	Name of several Thracian kings	kotuz	yak bull	There was a very good commander of the Mamluken Türks named KOTUZ who stopped the Mongols
Gephyraioi	Thracian-Pelasgian tribe	köprü	bridge
Tamonbari	Fort of the Byzantine province of ‘Thrace’ (upper Hebros region, later Eastern Rumelia)	Tümen: 10.000	bar: there is	tümen is still a military unit in Türkiye
Bidigis	(Βίδιγις), castell in the Byzantine Diocese of Thrace, on the Istros	bedüg	big, great
Dabanos	a fort in Dardania	taban	foot, sole
Thrak	a people	Otrak/Otruk	island	Otrak(Island) is my proposal for the etymology of the Thracians.
Many +ava toponyms		ova	cavity, valley	etymology of many +ava/+ova ending should be Türkic language
Daulis	Daulis or Daulia (Δαυλίς or Δαυλία), city in Phokis near the current village of Davlia	taw/ta	mountain	+lV: suffix for related to“. > TAWLI
Carsium	Station of the Danube riverside road in Moesia inferior between Axiupolis (Hinok) and Troesmis	karşı	opposite, adversary; opposite side; quarrel
Tibisis (Τίβισις)	A big river in Scythia	tüpsüz	abysmal, eternal, very big	etymology is clearly Türkish
Kabassos	a tilge in Capadocia	kap-: to swell	su: water
Boreas/Borras	God of the Northwind / Northwind	Bora	1 North wind 2 to snow heavily
Dilectus	the recruitment of troops for military service	tilek	wish, adjuration

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Uzunbacak Adem

Lynkos-as-toponym-and-andronym-Turkisch-etymology-a-try

 

https://elexikon.ch/meyers/RE/XIII,2_2473.png

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There were three times Lynkos in the ancient history, according to Pauly's RE:

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1) a mountain

2) a hill top

These two could have the Türkic word ULU as root, meaning the great.

3) a Scythian king

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As I saw that word I thought immediately of Türkic ULUNG.

We know that the Ancient Greeks put or deleted a vocal at the beginning of a word.

LYNKOS (LYNK-OS) should be one of them.

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Now look at:

Türkic ULUNG was a name (not a popular one) of two chieftains. 

On Yenissei Stones we see the ULUNG SHAD as a name of a commander and we know about the ULUNG TEMÜR as a descendant of Genghis Khan. 

We see ULUNG as an entry, meaning fundament/base in Kutatgu Bilig (a kind of encyclopedia of Türkish society and language) that is 1000 years old, too.

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According to wiki:

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That Demeter turned him into a Lynx should be an older story. That shows us maybe the name of the LYNX could have a Türkic background/etymology, too, because it could also be derived from that ULUNG.

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Uzunbacak Adem 

Chadisia-as-toponym-hydronym-and-Amazone-and-their-Turkic-etymology

 

Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Mr. Pauly mentions Chadisia two times:

1) As a toponym and a hydronym

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2) as the name of an Amazone.

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1) River and city of the Leukosyrians on the Pontus, western border of the territory of Themiskyra (Stephanos Byzantios) 

and 

2) Amazone, eponym of the city above.

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My turn:

1) Chadisia as toponym and hydronym we can meet in ancient Türkish lands in Asia. On the Orkhun Memorial Stones we can read the sentence: 

Bėşinç ezgenti kadizde oguz birle süŋüşdümiz: “Fifthly, we fought with the Oghuz in Ezgenti Kadız.”

and there was a water-canal named Kadız Kanalı belonging to Uyghur Türks. 

Kadız could easily be Chadisia in Greek ears. (+ia Greek suffix for the places).

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2) Kadız as a female name could be possible, too. Kadız means tree bark and cinnamon. Türks love the nature and give their daughters many names dealing with trees/plants like yaprak (tree leaf), kiraz (cherry), Çiğdem (sunflower), Akasya (Acacia), Ladin (Spruce) and many more...

It is not unusual to call a girl then KADIZ meaning cinnamon or tree bark, because of the hair of her hair, for example. 

The word KADIZ for cinnamon ist 100% compatible with Türk onomastics. 

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Summary: Chadisia as toponym/hydronym and/or the name of a girl could have been Türkic. Fullstop.

If we accept that the Amazons-warriors were probably of Scythian origin, it is then easier to accept that they were partly of Türk origin.

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Uzunbacak Adem

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Sources:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Amazone

https://kilislisesi.meb.k12.tr/meb_iys_dosyalar/79/01/964334/dosyalar/2021_03/16123151_Orta_asya_Kultur_Tarihi__notlarY.pdf

https://nek.istanbul.edu.tr/ekos/TEZ/ET002696.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Deniz-Karakurt-2/publication/342097804_INCELEME_SOZLUGU/links/5f11692092851c1eff1841c4/INCELEME-SOZLUGU.pdf

https://www.petitcollective.com/blogs/yasam/ilhamini-ilkbahardan-alan-isimler?srsltid=AfmBOopo39QuU1V7pf5j_U8hpcuwxjM5XLPMQTt1LQaTkglzv6xHv1d_

Argunthis-king-of-Scythes-an-etymological-try

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In Wikisource under the Topic "Ostrogotha" I have seen an interesting name (Source: Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie)

Argunthis, King of the Scythians!

The original text: 

Ostrogotha: King of the Ostrogoths, c. 250...In a second campaign he appoints the two most noble men of his people, Argait (perhaps identical with Argunthis, whom Capitolinus calls a "king of the Scythians" under Emperor Gordian (243),) and Guntheric as military leaders against Emperor Philip. (Underlines by UA) 

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1800 years ago a Scythian among Goths? Quite possible if we think of the characters of the steppe-confederations. 

Argunth(+is) could be a Türkic name meaning "cross-bred(s)". 

We find this Old Türkic word in "An etymological dictionary of pre-thirteenth-century Turkish" by Gerard Clauson.

+t could be the plural suffix.

That means the name of this Scythian king could mean "the one with many cross-breed horses". 

OR

He himself was a cross-bred with many "races" of that time (Goth + Türkic + ...... )

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There were many Arguns in Asian/Türkic history like:

wiki: 

Arslan Argun is the son of the Great Seljuk Sultan Alp Arslan.

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A Türkic dynasty!

wiki:

The Arghun dynasty (Persian: خانوادهٔ ارغون)^[4] ruled over the area adjoining Southern Afghanistan and then the Sindh Sultanate from the late 15th century to the early 16th century. Arghun rule can be divided into two branches: the Arghun branch of Dhu'l-Nun Beg Arghun that ruled until 1554, and the Tarkhan branch of Muhammad Isa Tarkhan that ruled until 1593.

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wiki: 

Arghun Khan (Mongolian Cyrillic: Аргун; Traditional Mongolian: ᠠᠷᠭᠤᠨ; c. 1258 – 10 March 1291) was the fourth ruler of the Mongol empire's Ilkhanate division, from 1284 to 1291.

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etc.

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Like we see here above the name "Argun" could easily be Türkic and the name of that Scythian King, too.

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Uzunbacak Adem

Ancient-Tzurulon-Turkic-Corlu-an-etymological-try

Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Mr. Pauly mentions the Thracian city Tzurulon (today Çorlu) in his encyclopedia.

He says: "Tzurulon, a town in Thrace on the main road from Hadrianupolis to Byzantion, north of Perinthos (Heraclea). ...... Tomaschek (Thraker II 2, 76. 78) connects the name Tzurulon with the equally fluctuating name Syracellae (vol. IV A, p. 1547) and the root džur, 'water'. The name of today's Chorlu is evidently based on the old Thracian one."

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I know that the (Ancient) Greeks use TZ for the letter "Ç". That means the name of the Thracian city began most probably with Ç.

And most probably this city was called> Çurulon

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Mr. Tomaschek, the coryphe of the issues about the Thracian proposed the (probably Armenian) root "džur", meaning water. So far ok with the this root. 

And now my BUT comes. 

If I look at the name of that town I see 2 Türkish things. Çur (Çor) + LU (suffix with the meaning "with", "having"). 

Explanation: Çur/Çor is a very old Türkic military title (and later a male name, too) that is not so small. It is not the king but maybe a high general in the western sense. The suffix +lu is a noun making suffix in the old Türkic. Çorlu/Çurlu means a place with a general (a big fortress probably). Place names that are made with this suffix are many in Türkish lands, like Ahmetli, Turgutlu, Erikli, etc. That is why this toponym is compatible with Türkic onomastics. That shows us that the old Thracians were (at least) partly Türkic, too.

The Ottoman Türks heard this name, changed it back to original and gave it to this town back!

Evolution of that name: 

Thracian Çorlu > (in Greek ears) Tzurulon > Türkish Çorlu 

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TÜRKÇE

Bay Pauly, ansiklopedisinde Trakya şehri Tzurulon'dan (bugünkü Çorlu) bahseder.

Şöyle der: "Tzurulon, Hadrianupolis'ten Byzantion'a giden ana yol üzerinde, Perinthos'un (Heraklea) kuzeyinde bulunan Trakya'daki bir kasabadır. ...... Tomaschek (Thraker II 2, 76. 78), Tzurulon adını eşit derecede değişken olan Syracellae (cilt IV A, s. 1547) ve džur, 'su' köküyle ilişkilendirir. Bugünkü Chorlu'nun adı açıkça eski Trakya adına dayanmaktadır."

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(Antik) Yunanlıların "Ç" harfi için TZ kullandığını biliyorum. Bu, Trakya şehrinin adının Ç ile başladığı anlamına gelir.

Büyük ihtimalle bu şehir Çurulon olarak adlandırılıyordu.

Trakyalılarla ilgili konuların uzmanı olan Bay Tomaschek, (muhtemelen Ermenice) su anlamına gelen "džur" kökünü önerdi. Şimdiye kadar tamam.

Ve şimdi benim AMA'm geliyor.

O şehrin ismine bakarsam ilk anda 2 Türkçe "şey" görüyorum. Çur (Çor) + LU ("ile", "sahip olma" anlamına gelen ek).

Açıklama: Çur/Çor çok eski bir Türk askeri unvanıdır (ve daha sonra bir erkek ismi de) ve küçük bir ünvan değildir. Kral değildir ama belki de Batılı anlamında yüksek bir generaldir. +lu eki, eski Türkçede isim yapan bir ektir. Çorlu/Çurlu, bir generali olan bir yer anlamına gelir (muhtemelen büyük bir kale). Bu ek ile yapılan yer adları Türk topraklarında çoktur, örneğin Ahmetli, Turgutlu, Erikli, vb. Bu yüzden bu yer adı Türk onomastiği ile uyumludur. Bu bize eski Trakyalıların da (en azından) kısmen Türk olduğunu göstermektedir.

Anlaşılan Osmanlı Türkleri bu ismi duyunca, onu tekrar aslına çevirmişler ve bu şehre geri vermişler!

Bu ismin evrimi söyle olmalı:

Trakya dilinde Çorlu > (Yunan kulaklarında) Tzurulon > Türkçe tekrardan Çorlu

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Uzunbacak Adem