Saturday, April 5, 2025

Allobichus-Hellebichos-Roman-Commander-versus-Turkic-yalabik

 

Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Mr. Pauly mentions Hellebichos/Ellebichus and Allobichus as commanders in the late antique Roman army. 

Ellebichus was a late antique Roman officer who lived in the second half of the 4th century.

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Allabichos († 410) was a late antique Roman military commander (magister militum).

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Wikipedia says both names are similar and Germanic. 

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Both names reminded me immediately of Türkish verb yalabı- meaning to shine, to sparkle, to burn brightly. We can attest this verb in Old Türkic. We can't go back that far like its root but there is a word derived from that in Anatolian Turkish yalabık/yalabuk meaning lightning.

This name is a 100 % compatible with Türkish onomastics. 

*Who could be sure of who was who in the 3rd and 4th centuries in Eurasia? Especially if they were barbarians. There is no reason why they shouldn't have been of Turkish origin.*

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It is a very difficult coincidence.

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Türkish version:


Bay Pauly, Hellebichos/Ellebichus ve Allobichus'tan geç antik Roma ordusunda komutanlar olarak bahseder.

Ellebichus, 4. yüzyılın ikinci yarısında yaşamış geç antik Romalı bir subaydı.

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Allabichos († 410) geç antik Romalı bir komutandı (magister militum).

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Vikipedi her iki ismin de birbirine benzer ve Cermen kökenli olduğunu söylüyor.

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Her iki isim de bana hemen Türkçedeki yalabı eylemini hatırlattı. Bu eylem parlamak, ışıldamak, parlak bir şekilde yanmak anlamına gelir. Bu eylemin Eski Türkçede olduğunu doğrulayabiliriz. Kökeni için o kadar geriye gidemesek de, Anadolu Türkçesinde şimşek anlamına gelen yalabık/yalabuk sözcüğüne denk geliyoruz.

Bu arada, bu iki ad Türk onomastiğiyle %100 uyumludur.

3. ve 4. yüzyıllarda kimin kim olduğundan kim emin olabilirdi? Özellikle barbarlarsa. Türk kökenli olmamaları için hiçbir neden yok.

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Çok zor bir tesadüf.


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Uzunbacak Adem

Turkish-proposals-to-the-names-in-Paulys-Realencyclopedia-Letter-G

 

The Pauly encyclopedias Practical Encyclopedia of the Study of Classical Ancient History in Alphabetical Order

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Pauly's Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

Letter G

Findings in April 2025

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I have looked through Türkish window at the names that I have read in the Pauly's Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Uzunbacak Adem


Pauly Word

Info

Türkic Word

Info

Extra Info

Γαάλα, Γάλλα

A city in Media

kala/gala

town 


Gaieochos Γαιήοχος, dor. Γαιάοχος and Γαιάϝοχος; ,Γεοῦχος and Γηοῦχος

Nickname 1. of Poseidon, 2. of Zeus, 3. of Artemis

kaya: huge rock

oguz/öküz: bull


Galepsos

3x town names by the sea

su: water

kala/gala: dwelling place


Gambaros

Emir of one of the most cultured Arab tribes in Syria in the 1st century BC. Strab. XVI 753 mentions him alongside Sampsigeramos.

kam: shaman

Strabo calls him Sampsigeramos! samsık means scolding, reprimanding; er: man > SAMSIKER


Gangara

Ptolem. V 11, 2. VIII 19 Port on the west side of the Caspian Sea in the Kingdom of Albania

kang: father

ara: place in between


Gangra

town in Paphlagonia

KANGLI: The Kangly (康曷利;[1]pinyin: Kānghélì; Middle Chinese(ZS): /kʰɑŋ-ɦɑt̚-liɪH/ or 康里 pinyin: Kānglĭ < MC-ZS: /kʰɑŋ-lɨX/;[2]Karakhanidقنكلى, romanized: Kaɣor قنكلى romanised: Kaŋlï, also spelled Qaŋlï,[3] QanglıKanlyKanglyQangliKangli or Kankali) were a Turkic people of Eurasia who were active from the Tang dynasty up to the Mongol Empireand Yuan dynasty.

The Kengeres, mentioned in the Orkhon inscriptions, were possibly known in the Islamic world and in the west as Kangar, a collective name for three Pecheneg tribes (of eight).

Qanglı: they with the wagon on tires

Gaphara 2x

place name

ara: place in between



Garamantes

name of the tribes inhabiting the oases of the eastern Sahara

Gara: black


I have already written about them. Their alphabet is very similar to Türk Script

Garanus

Hercules' corresponding god, an Italic figure

Karan

dark; evil-hearted


Garenaioi

probably a Türk tribe that grazed its herds in the steppes northeast of the Gobi Desert.

Pauly admits that the Türks lived there in the times of Ptolemy 

Ptolemy 6,16

kara=black, ay: moon OR see Karaun

Garoëbarsius

Father brother of the Hun King Attila. Prisc.. frg. 8 = FHG IV 93.

Aybars

Moon Leopard

a definite Türk name

Gatalos

was named in a peace treaty concluded by the king Pharnaces I of Pontus with his enemies

katıl-

to join, to meet,t o participate, to keep relations alive

The verb and the name are very compatible 

Gauanes

(Gaυάνης), according to the Macedonian founding legend available in Herodotus VIII 137f., a Temenide from Argos

kavan/kaban

boar

see cabanossi, from the same Türkic word. Wiki: Greek: Γαυάνης) was the older brother of Aeropusand Perdiccas I of Macedon, as Herodotus (8.137-139) narrates. According to N. G. L. Hammond: Gauanes may be a dialectal version of Gaianes, because one finds Auos as a variant of Aias and Parauaians, the ones who live by the Aoos river. Gaianes seems related to Aianos, the founder of Aiane in Elimeia(Stephanus of Byzantium, s.v. Aiane). If this is true, Gauanes took the kingdom of Elimiotis and Aeropus, presumably, the kingdom of Lynkestis.

Γαυζανία (Gauzania)

city in Media, Ptolemy VI 2, 10. The Gōzanjā mentioned in Talmud Sabb. 152 a is hardly this Median place.

oguz

an old Türk tribe


Gauzanitis

one of the six regions into which, according to Ptolemy V 18 (17), 4, Mesopotamia was divided.

oguz

an old Türk tribe


Gebeleizis Γεβελέϊζις

another name for the daemon Zalmoxis, to whom the dead go according to the belief in immortality of the Thracian tribe of the Getae, Herodotus IV 94.

kepeli/kebelek

butterfly

immortal, because change in form from a worm to an insect?

Geizagera

Thracian village (κωμῆται Γειζαγηρηνοί) mentioned in an inscription found near Hissar (Karlovo district), Kalinka Antiquities in Bulgaria no. 100.

gez-/kez-: to make a trip

ara: place in between


Gelani

A people in Sassanid Kingdom

yılan

snake


Geloni

in Skylax and Ephoros in the anonymous Periplus of the Black Sea § 49, apparently ultimately according to Hecataeus: Gelωνες), Scythian tribe

yılan

snake


Gelos

personified laughter. The divine personification, the daimon of laughter, was worshipped in the otherwise solemn Sparta

kül-

to laugh


Gelopara

Thracian village  

ara: place in between



Gelduba

Place in Germania Inferior where the Romans had a fortified camp that played a significant role in the Batavian Revolt. Plin.

oba

dwelling place


Gelupara

(κώμη Γελουπάρων), Thracian village, from which 12 colonists moved to the Emporium Pizos (today Chakarlar), founded in 202 AD, Kalinka Antiquities Monument in Bulgaria 34 II 20. Dittenberger Syll. II² 932.

ara: place in between



Gensoe

(var. Censoe), town on the left bank of the Nile below Acug (today Akeh), mentioned by Bion in Plin. n. h. VI 180. Müller on Ptolem. I p. 769 refers to present-day Sese (20° 5').

su: water

?yan: side


Gentios

(Ancient Greek: Γένθιος, Génthios; fl. 181–168 BC) was an Illyrian king who belonged to the Labeatandynasty.[1] He ruled in 181–168 BC,[1][2]being the last attested Illyrian king.

genç

baby, cub


Gephyr-names 9x

As representant I take the name Γεφυρισμοί: were the mocking speeches with which the mysts teased each other on a bridge on the ἱερὰ ὁδός; Main office Hesych. see γεφυρίς and γεφυρισταί; cf. Etym. M. s. Γεφυρεῖς and Strab. ΙX 400.

köprü

bridge

I have already written about Gephyrians in my blog

Gergis 2x

place name 

Kergü

Place name in Central Asia. A river name that we can read on the Runic Türk Stones (Sine Usu)


Gergis

Son of Ariazos, one of the seven commanders in the third Persian expedition (480), Herodotus VII 82.

Kerik

A personal name in Old Türkic

Kerkit: Adze, mattock

Germanioi

a part of the Persia, Her. I 125, 4; apparently identical with Karmanioi (see above). Otherwise, see Kiepert, Lehrb. d. alten Geogr. § 67 and note 3.

Karaman

an old Türk tribe 

Karaman: very dark, very black (color of their tents or horses?)

Germisara

Road station between Apulum and Sarmizegetusa (Kiepert Formae orb. ant. XVII) and important fort for securing communications (Young Romans and Romans in the Danube countries

ara: place in between



Gildoba

City in Thrace of unknown location where the martyr Julius was venerated, Delehaye Anal. Bolland. XXXI 241, 269.

oba

dwelling place


Giridava

today's Pelišat in Bulgaria, southeast of Plevna. (Thrace)

oba

dwelling place


Gischala

Small town (πολίχνη Joseph. bell. Iud. IV 2, 1) in Upper Galilee, destroyed by the enemy neighbors at the beginning of the Jewish revolt

kala/gala

dwelling place


many Glaohyr names like Glaphyros (Γλάφυρος, Γλαφύρας

some toponym, some andronym

Kolavur, Kalavur, Kolabur, ….

the leader, the guide


Glauke more than 10x

a female name

kalık

Air, sky, heaven

Some have to do with sea, spring or river, maybe bulak: spring

Glones 2x

A „Persian“ and a Hun. Both 6th C AD

Kulun 

Foal

It is a name that is compatible with Türk onomastics. There are men with the name Kulun and Kulun Kara

Gnosis, Gonossos, Knosos

a town on Crete

su: water



Gobares

Persian, under Darius III, commander of Pasargadae, which he surrendered to the advancing Alexander the Great without a fight in 331/30, Curt. Ruf. V 6, 10.

Kubar

conceited, big-nosed


Gondrae

(Γόνδραι), Thracian people, also called Κίνδρα and Ῥόνδα by Herodian, Steph. Byz. Tomaschek Thracian II 2, 88.

Kundur Türks

A Türk tribe

kondur-: to place on (umsiedeln?)= umgesiedelter Stamm

Gorgas/Gorgasos/Gorgo

fearful creatures

korku

fear 

Korkusuz 

Gorgidas

Γοργίδας: was the first known Thebanmilitary leader of the Sacred Band of Thebes around 378 BC.

Korkıt/Korkut

a male name, very famous one


Gorgythion

Gorgythion(Ancient Greek: Γοργυθίων, gen.: Γοργυθίωνος) was one of the sons of King Priam of Troyat the time of the Trojan War and appears as a minor character in Homer's Iliad. His mother was Castianeira of Aisyme.[1]

Korkut

a male name, very famous one


Gorpiaion

eleventh month of the ancient national lunar-solar year of the Macedonians, beginning with the autumn equinox, corresponding to the Athenian Metageitnion (End Sept-Begin Oct)

Körpe-Ay

Month of the late crop

2 further versions are: Gorpheos, Gorpeios.

Gortyn

(Gortyns, Gortȳna, Gortys, Kortys), name of a formerly important city in the middle of the southern coastal region of the island of Crete

korıg

protected area

<korı-: to fence, protect

Gorytoessa

(Γωρυτόεσσα), Amazon in the entourage of the Penthesilea, before Ilion and others. killed by Achilles, Tzetz. Posthom. 178.

korı-: to fence, protect

töz: 1 foundation, root 2 origin, ancestors


Gorytos

ὁ (also γορυτός and χωρυτός), the case or box in which the bow was kept (Hom. Od. XXI 54. Lycoph. 458. Luk. Herakl. 1. 8).

Qurman, Kurugluk

quiver


Gotarzes

was king of the Parthian Empirefrom 40 to 51

Qutur., Kotar-

to pour, to transfer from one container to another

<qud-: to pour out (water); well >>> KOTARCI: he who pours water, he who finds water (let it flow, pour?)

Granos

(Γρᾶνος Scyl. per. 47), name of an eastern promontory on the island of Crete

kır

isolated mountain, mountain top, steppe, edge


Gundiocus

Gundevechus Greg. Tur. II 28), King of the Burgundians, from the line of Athanaricus (see above Vol. II p. 1934), father of Gundobadus, Godigisilus, Chilpericus and Godomarus (Greg. Tur. a. O.), perhaps by a daughter of Patricius Flavius ​​Ricimer, since Gundobadus is called his nephew (Joh. Ant. frg. 209, 2).

gündük

a kind of vessel

maybe sth to do with the sun (kün), a window?

Gundicharius

King of the Burgundians in Gaul, was defeated by Aetius in 435 or 436 and had to ask for peace, which was granted.

Konduk-er

Konduk: residence

er: soldier man

Guneus 5x

a male name

küne-/güne.: to shine

>sunbeam 

>künes/güneş: sun; Küne: an old river name in Old Türkish

Gurgenes

Γουργένης), King of the (Caucasian - UA) Iberians during the reign of Emperor Justin. As Procopius (bell. Pers. I 12, 58) recounts, he joined the Romans and asked for their help against the Persian king Cabades, because the latter demanded his apostasy from Christianity.

Küreken

groom, bridegroom


Gyale

(γνάλη or γυάλας, in any case related to γύαλον), according to Philetas near Athens. XI 467 c Name of a drinking vessel among the Megarians, according to Hesych (γυάλας, εἶδος ποτηρίου παρὰ Μακεδόσι; cf. Etym. M. 243, 13)

yala-

to lick


Gyaros

Γυάρος pronounced ʝaros]), also locally known as Gioura(Greek: Γιούρα), is an arid, unpopulated, and uninhabited Greekisland in the northern Cycladesnear the islands of Andros and Tinos,

yar

cliff, steep slope


Gyrai

rocky cliffs near Mykonos or Mykone, an islet located southeast of the Cycladic island of Tenos

kır

isolated mountain, mountain top, steppe, edge


Gyras

Mountain range on the Cycladic island of Tenos

kır

isolated mountain, mountain top, steppe, edge


Gyron

(Γυρόν), after Ps.-Plut. XXII 4 Mountain on the Achelous, which is said to have been called Καλυδών after Calydon, son of Ares and Astynome, who was transformed into a mountain.

kır

isolated mountain, mountain top, steppe, edge














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