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Homeric-words-with-a-possible-Turkic-etymology-Letters-P-and-R

 


Homeric words with a possible Turkic etymology letters Π and P (P and R)


Homeric word 

meaning 

Türkic word 

meaning

other info

Παίων , ονος

Paeonian, pl. the Paeonians, a tribe in Macedonia and Thrace, on the river Axius, allies of the Trojans, Il. 10.428Il. 16.287, 291, Il.

Bay (Chuvash Poyan)

1 rich, noble 2 many, numerous 

OTurk. baj 1 (Orkh., Yen., OUygh.); Karakh. baj 1 (MK, KB); Tur. baj 1; Gag. baj 1; Az. baj 1; Turkm. bāj 1; MTurk. baj 1; Uzb. bɔj 1; Uygh. baj 1; Krm. baj 1; Tat. baj 1, bajtaq 2; Bashk. baj 1; Kirgh. baj 1; Kaz. baj 1; KBalk. baj 1; KKalp. baj 1; Kum. baj 1; Nogh. baj 1; SUygh. päj 1; Khak. paj 1; Oyr. baj 1, bajtaq 2; Tv. baj 1; Chuv. pojan 1; Yak. bāj 1; Dolg. bāj, bājdak, bājdɨk 1. 

◊ EDT 384, VEWT 56, TMN 2, 259, ЭСТЯ 2, 27-29, 36, Лексика 304, 332, Федотов 1, 440, Stachowski 55, 56. Turk. > Mong. bajan ‘rich’ (KW 29, Щербак 1997, 103), whence Evk. bajan etc. (TMN ibid., Doerfer MT 37). 


παλλακίς 

concubine

bala

child, 


παν-αίολος

all-gleaming, glancing

yal-

to shine, to blaze


πάρ - αντα (ἄντα)

sideways, Il. 23.116

anta

there

Ön-?: front, face; see ἄντα  (ánta) (epic): over againstface to face

παρδαλέη

leopard - skin, Il. 3.17 and Il. 10.29. (from pardalis)

bars/pars

leopard, panther

Hittite: parsanas, Frisk shows that it could be a Türkic word.

παρήιον(παρεια?)

cheek, jaw; cheekpiece of a bridle, Il. 4.142.



Proto-Altaic p ̔lo cheek: Tung. *pul-; Mong. *hurul; Jpn. *p-p (~-ua-); Kor. *pór-. 

παρ-ιαύω

sleep by, Il. 9.336†. ([ΕΤΥΜΟΛ. Ρήμα με αναδιπλασιασμό (-ι-) τόσο στον ενεστώτα όσο και στους άλλους χρόνους (πρβλ. μέλλ. ιαύσω, αόρ. ιαύσαι), το οποίο ανάγεται σε ρίζαau- «κοιμάμαιδιανυκτερεύω» (πρβλαυλή). Το ρ. ιαύω πιθ. να συνδέεται με το ενιαυτός].

uu

to sleep

link for meaning: https://lsj.gr/index.php?title=ιαύω&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

Πάρις 

Paris, son of Priam, who by the help of Aphrodīte carried off Helen from Sparta and thus brought on the war with Troy, Il. 24.28

Baris/Pars

leopard


πάσχω 

the verb of passivity, meaning to be affected in any way, in Homer regularly in a bad sense, suffer,

bas-

to press


πάταγος 

any loud sound of things striking together, crash of falling trees, chattering of teeth, dashing of waves, din of combat, Il. 16.769Il. 13.283Il. 21.9, 387.

badar badar 

with a loud noice

also see PTurk. *tep- / *dēp- to stamp, tramp 


πατέω 

tread; fig., κατὰ(adv.) δ᾽ ὅρκιαπάτησαν, ‘trampled under foot,’ Il. 4.157†.

tep-/dep-

to stamp, tramp


παχύς , ει<*>῀αύ(πήγνυ_μι), comp. πάσσων, sup. πάχιστος:

hick, stout, as of a thick jet of blood, Od. 22.18

*bek 

firm, solid, stable 



Πείροος

son of Imbrasus, a chief of the Thracians, slain by Thoas, Il. 4.520, 525.

Bamsi Beyrek, Bay Beyre, Bay Bura

all the names of a hero in Oghuz legends

Bey: sich, Herr; Bura: male camel; beyre: a child of a bey

πέλεια

wild dove, wild pigeon.



­pltorV (/-ld-) a k. of small bird: Tung. *pilti-; Mong. *bolǯir- / *boldur-; Turk. *bɨldur- (*buldɨr-); Jpn. *pàtuâ; Kor. *pìtùrí. —— >?Pelikan, too?

πέλεκυς 

axe or hatchet, for felling trees, Il. 23.114Il. 17.520; double-edged, Od. 5.234, see ἡμιπέλεκκα. A sacrificial instrument in Od. 3.449.

balta

axe

<PTurk baltu (see Akkadian baltu).

πεντήκοντα 

fifty: actually five times ten

on

ten


Πέριμος 

a Trojan, son of Meges, slain by Patroclus, Il. 16.695†.

?börü

wolf


πῆχυς 

elbow, then fore - arm, arm, Il. 21.166Od. 17.38. Also centre-piece of a bow, joining the arms (horns) of the weapon, being the part grasped by the left hand in shooting

PTurk. *bogum 

joint (сустав) 

bugu joint: Tung. *bog-; Mong. *bog-tu; Turk. *bogum; Jpn. *pu. : compare From Proto-Hellenic *pā́kʰus, from Proto-Indo-European *bʰehǵʰus. Cognates include Sanskrit बाहु (bāhu, “arm”), Old Persian𐎲𐎠𐏀𐎢 (b-a-z-u /bāzu/) (Persian بازو(bâzu)) and Old English bōg (English bough).


πέρην

on the other side, beyond, opposite; τινόςIl. 2.626

beri/berü

PTurk. *bEr- 1 southern, right 2 to the South, to the right 

The usually related berü ‘this side, here’ etc. (EDT 355, ЭСТЯ II 124-125) should be rather kept apart. It is unclear morphologically (bērü < ber-rü seems to be a unique development) and may be derived from the demonstrative bu ‘this’, just like naru, aŋaru, onaru ‘that side, there’ is derived from the demonstrative stem an- ‘that’ (see Brockelmann 1954, 134). 

πέρθω ,

πέρθαι: sack, plunder, lay waste, regularly of cities, ἄστεαπόλινIl. 2.660; pass., Il. 16.708Il. 24.729.

PTurk. *bert- 

to break, damage, wound 


Περίβοια 

Periboea.—(1) daughter of Acessamenus, mother of Pelagon, Il. 21.142.—(2) daughter of Eurymedon, mother of Nausithous by Poseidon, Od. 7.57.

(the female version of börü-buga?(wolf bull)

official meaning „surrounded by cattle“ (not better than my proposal)

acc. to wiki: In Greek mythology, the name Periboea (/ˌpɛrɪˈbiːə/Ancient Greek: Περίβοια "surrounded by cattle" derived from peri "around" and boes "cattle") refers to multiple figures:

περκνός 

dappled, as specific name of a kind of eagle, Il. 24.316†.

börü

(grey) wolf

Mong. *beltereg is a regular metathesis < *berteleg. Mong. börtü (berte) činua is translated as ‘multicolored wolf (name of the legendary ancestor of Chinggis Khan)’ and börtü is glossed in L 128 as ‘mottled, speckled, grey’ - but in fact it is basically used with činua and is probably the original deriving stem of beltereg. -büri in MMong. ǯö’e-büri, WMong. čögebüri ‘jackal’ may be borrowed < Turk. (see Щербак 1997, 163). 

πῆχυς 

elbow, then fore - arm, arm, Il. 21.166Od. 17.38. Also centre-piece of a bow, joining the arms (horns) of the weapon, being the part grasped by the left hand in shooting, Il. 11.375Od. 21.419 (πᾶχῠς(pâkhus) — Aeolic)

PTurk. *bogum 

joint

Proto Altaic bugu joint: Tung. *bog-; Mong. *bog-tu; Turk. *bogum; Jpn. *pu. 


πῖδαξ

spring, fountain

?bulak

spring, fountain

a Pre-Greek word

πλεκτός (πλέκω)

braided, twisted.

Turk. *bilik, *bEĺ-mek(e) 

wick

pelik < bölük (divided, seperated)

πλόκαμος(πλέκω)

ock of hair, pl., Il. 14.176†.

pelik < bölük

divided, seperated


πόλις

city

boliq

city


πολλάκις

many times, often.

bol

abundant, full


***MANY ***πολύ*** words***

meaning many, much

bol

abundant, full

πολύςπολλήπολύ , peculiar forms, πολλόςπολλόνπουλύς (also fem.), πουλύ, gen. πολέος (Od. 20.25), acc. πουλύν, pl. nom. πολέεςπολεῖς, gen. πολέων (Il. 16.655), πολλα?ωνπολλέων, dat. πολέσιπολέεσσι, acc. πολέας, for comp. and sup. see πλείωνπλεῖστος: much, many, with numerous applications that call for more specific words in Eng., as ‘long,’ of time, ‘wide,’ ‘broad,’ of space, ‘loud,’ ‘heavy,’ of a noise or of rain, etc. πολλοί (Att. οἱ πολλοί), the many, the most, the greater part, Il. 2.483,

πολυ-καγκής 

very dry, parching, Il. 11.642†.

kak

dry


πόρδαλις , ιος, also πάρδαλις

panther, leopard.

bars/pars

leopard, panther


πρεσβυ-γενής 

first-born, Il. 11.249†.

bir: 1

birinci: first

PKor. *pìr- at first, begin (сначала, впервые, начинать): MKor. pìrs, pìrsó; Mod. piroso. ; PMong. *büri all, each 


πρό-γονος

pl., earlier-born lambs, ‘spring lambs,’ ‘firstlings,’ Od. 9.221

kong

sheep

>koyun: Modern Turkish sheep

πρό - τονος(τείνω):

only pl., forestays of a ship, ropes extending from the mast to the inner portion of the bows, Il. 1.434Od. 2.425

PTurk. *daŋ- to bind together 


See other Altaic words: t ̔úŋi ( ~ -o-) rope, to bind: Mong. *tüŋge; Jpn. *túnk-; Kor. *toŋ-. 



tằnŋù to bind, rope: Tung. *daŋ-; Turk. *daŋ-; Jpn. *tùnà; Kor. *tan. (First word is Proto-Altaic) 


πρυλέες

dat. πρυλέεσσι: heavyarmed foot-soldiers

birle

with, with somebody, together > Modern Turkish word birles-: to come together > Modern Turkish birlik (a military unit)

acc. to Frisk probably Pre-Greek, „etymologie dunkel“

Πρύτανις 

a Lycian, slain by Odysseus, Il. 5.678†.; pritanis means a commander

bir: 1

the first one?

Paralle to Etruscan purϑne, eprϑni

πρῶν 

foreland, headland

burun

a nose, and a geogr. term too, meaning the part of the land, that stands out

the parallel meanings of both terms are startling

πρῴην 

lately, recently.

burun

lately, recently

πρώιον is similar and see πρώρη  as „the nose“

???? All Greek / Latin „PRO“ words ????





πρό-ίάλλω

send forth

yol

road


πτυω

spit forth

tüpkür-

to spit


πύκα

thickly, strongly, Il. 9.588; met., wisely, carefully; φρονεῖντρέφεινIl. 5.70.

pek/bek

firm, solid, stable 

etymology unclear

πυκινόςπυκνός

lose, thick, compact; θώρηξἀσπίςχλαῖναOd. 14.521; with reference to the particles or parts of anything, νέφοςφάλαγγεςστίχες; of a bed with several coverings, ‘closely spread,’ Il. 9.621 ; πυκινὰπτερά, perhaps to be taken adverbially, of the movements in close succession (see below), Od. 2.151, etc.; of thick foliage, ὄζοςθάμνοςυ?λη; ‘closely shut,’ ‘packed,’

bük-: 1 to bow, bend 2 to curve, bend, wrap smth 


to block, to bend, to build a barrier, set up


πῶς 

interrog. adv., how? in what way?

bu

this

?> böyle: in that way

πώς

enclitic indef. adv., somehow, in some way; if in any way, perchance, perhaps; w. neg., by no means.

bu

this

?> böyle: in that way

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ῥάχις 

chine, back - piece, cut lengthwise along the spine, Il. 9.208†.

arka

back















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