the-name-Odysseus-and-its-etymology

O kadar Homeros okuduk, başbuğ Odysseus'a bakmadık!/1

Wiki'de köken, ne kadar zorlarsan zorla, belli değil. Etrüskler bu adı Uthuze olarak dillerine adapte ediyorlar (Acaba kendi dillerinden bir sözcüğe mi benzettiler de azıcık değiştirdiler?)/2

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Türkçe uduz- /3

Odysseus "paşa, başbuğ" anlamına gelebilir. 

Kenarda bulunsun!

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We read so much Homer, we didn't examine at the name Odysseus!/1

*Turkish wiki*

Translation: Odysseus took on roles such as warrior, army commander, advisor, ambassador and mediator.

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On the wiki, the origin is unclear no matter how hard you try. Etruscans adapted this name to their language as Uthuze (I wonder if they thought it resembled a word from their own language and changed it slightly?)/2

Turkish uduz- /3

Türkish verb uduz- means to let follow, to command, to lead!

That means Odysseus could mean (in Turkish Oduz/Uduz) a general or a chieftain!

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I think we should keep it mind for the future!

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Source for uduz-:

Strabon-Toygenians-versus-Turkic-Toygun

The Geography of Strabo

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Bu bilgi hemen hiçbir yerde yok!

Strabon İberya'daki ulus ve yer adlarını anar:

Onoba, Ossonoba, Mainoba...

Hepsi çok güzeller ama en güzeli Toygenians!

Haklarına adlarından başka hemen hiçbir bilgi yok. Alpin/Germanic filan diyor otoriteler.

Ama Toygun/Toygın ise taş gibi Türkçe!

İlkin İberya ve Türk runlarına bakalım:

Iberian Runları

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*Türk runları

Bu Türk runları ve İber runları hemen hemen aynı, aynı veya çok benzerdirler.

İber ve Türk runlerı arasında pek çok benzerlik açıktır. Attila'nın kendine ait bir alfabesi olduğunu biliyoruz. Attila ile Strabon arasındaki zaman farkı da çok fazla değil. 

Peki o dönemde İber yarımadasında Türk boy isimleri ve Türk yer adları görmek, ve bu adları veren Türk asıllı insanların bulunduğunu neden düşünmeyelim?

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Türkçe "toy" sözcüğüne gelirsek!

Toygenians ulusu için şu aşağıdaki 

Türkçe sözcükleri kök olarak öneriyorum:

toy: genç;

toy-: doymak;

Toygun/Toygın: yırtıcı bir kuş; 

Tuygun/Toygun bir Orta Asya halkı > Tuyuhun (Orhun Taşlarındaki bir halk olarak);

toygun: Bir kurultay üyesi, toygun ise kurutayım bir üyesi anlamına gelebilir.

Yani başka bir etimoloji sunulmadıkça, Türkçe köken dikkate alınmalıdır.

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ENGLISH VERSION:

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This information is nowhere to be found!

Strabo mentions nations and place names in Iberia:

They are all very interesting, but the most interesting is the people called Toygenians!

There is almost no information about them besides their names. Authorities say they would/could be Alpine/Germanic etc.

BUT

Toygun/Toygın is a very nice Turkish word.

See etymology below!

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But let as look at the 

Türk runes vs. Iberian runes first:

Iberian runes

Türk runes

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These Türk runes and Iberian runes are nearly same, same or very similar.

There are many similarities between Iberian and Türk runes, as we can see above. 

We know that Attila had his own alphabet. And the time gap between Attila and Strabon ist not huge. So why shouldn't we think, that there were Türk-origined people with their own Türkic clan names and Türkic toponyms who were living on Iberian peninsula at those times?

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Let us come now to the Turkish word Toygun as the origin of the name of the Toygenians:

There are many words in Türkic with "toy" at the beginning, with different meanings, such as

toy: young; 

toy-: to be satiated;

Toygun/Toygın: a bird of prey; 

Tuygun/Toygun a  Central Asian people 

> Tuyuhun (As a people on Orhun Stones);

toygun: a member of a Kurultay, toygun could mean congressman.

That is, unless another etymology is presented, the Turkish origin should be taken into account.

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Sources:

Infos about Toygun

Iberian Runes 

Toygun as a bird of prey 

Central Asian TUYUHUN

Homeric-otheo-othei-Turkic-oete

Georg Autenrieth - Wörterbuch zu homereschen Gedichten

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ὠθέω - ὠθεῖ / otheo - othei

Homeros bu sözcüğü bişeyi itmek, ileriye itmek anlamında kullanmıştır/1

Türkçe'de (ve diğer Altay dillerinde) benzer sözcükler bir yere geçmek/yer değiştirmek anlamındadır/2

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Bu arada 12 Şubat'ta başladığım Homer'in sözlüğünü bugün bitirdim.💪

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ὠθέω - ὠθεῖ / otheo - othei

Homer used this word in the sense of pushing something forward/1

Similar words in Turkish (and other Altaic languages) mean to move/change place/2

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By the way, I finished Homer's dictionary today, which I started on February 12.💪

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Alexanders-Turks

There are many mercenaries in Alexander's army, so that we can find most probably Türks among them. That is why I searched the book "Whos Who in the Age of Alexander the Great Prosopography of Alexanders Empire by Waldemar Heckel.

Here are the results:

name	who	possible Türkic name	meaning
Agathocles (Agathokles)	Samian taxiarches in Alexander’s army (presumably a com- mander of allied infantry, perhaps mercen- aries)	okle: oglu	agit-: to lift higher
Apama	there are two: Daughter of Spitamenes   and Daughter of Artabazus. See s.v. Artacama.	apa ama	both mean Mutter
Argilias	Son of Laonicus. A cavalryman from Orchomenus, he served with Alexander’s allied cavalry until the expedi- tion reached Ecbatana in 330	argıl/ırgıl	fortune teller (<ırk-)
Assacenus	Assakanos:. Indian dynast; leader of the Assacenians, whose kingdom centered on the area between the Panjkora (Guraeus) and Swat rivers.	khan	Türkic title
Attalus	there are 4	ata	father; atali: he who has a father (hw who has a past/a good family?)
Bagodaras	Cobares, Gobares). For the name see Justi 60 (cf. Briant 740 for the rar- ity of Medes in the Alexander historians). A Mede – possibly a magus (C 7.4.8) – who remained with Bessus after he usurped the kingship	bagatur	the hero
Balakros	there are 3	balak	little child; Balak-er?
Barsine	Daughter of Artabazus	bars	leopard
Caranus	there are 2	karanu	darkness (dark skinned?)
Delios	phesian of unknown family, companion (hetairos) of Plato. Sent by the Asiatic Greeks to Alexander (perhaps at Corinth in 336) to encourage him to campaign against Persia (PM 1126d).	deli/teli	crazy, mad
Erigyius	Son of Larichus and brother of Laomedon (A 3.6.5, 11.10). A Mytilenaean by birth (D 17.57.3), Erigyius was a naturalized Makedon, having been granted property in Amphipolis	erig	wild
Euctemon	One of the spokesmen of the mutilated Greeks (cf. s.v. Theaetetus) who encountered Alexander’s army between the Araxes River and Persepolis.	öktem	proud, imposing
Euthycles	Spartan, presum- ably a relative of the ambassador of the same name sent to the Persian court in 367	ötük > Ötüklü	prayer; boots > with prayers; with boots
Gergithius	Quintessential flatterer of Alexander	kerki: adze, mattock	kerkit: a kind of tool for webbing rugs
Gorgatas	Gorgatas. A young Macedonian, Gorgatas was a favorite of the queen mother, Olympias, and taken against her wishes from the court to Asia by Amyntas son of Andromenes	korkut	still a Turkish name (korku: fear)
Gorgias	Macedonian. Hetairos of Alexander. He commanded a battalion of discharged veterans in 324, but this does not mean that he himself was born ca. 380, as Berve ii.113 maintains. (There is an other Macedonian with this name)	gorgu/gorgi	fear (like in Gorgones)
Gorgus [1]. (Gorgos).	reek from Iasus. Son of Theodotus and brother of Minnion (SIG3 307). Hoplophylax of Alexander, Gorgus was apparently also a shameless flatterer; for in Ecbatana in 324 he offered the King, whom he addressed as “son of Amun,” a golden crown worth some 3,000 staters and promised to supply armor and equipment for a siege of Athens (there is an other Greek with this name)	gorgu/gorgi	fear
Harpalus	Son of Machatas (A 3.6.4), in all probability the nephew of Philip’s Elimeiot wife Phila	arpağ > arpağlı	magic > magical
Holcias (Holkias, Olkias, Olcias).	Perhaps Illyrian, though Berve ii.283 identifies him as Macedonian (cf. Hoffmann 211–12). This enigmatic figure, who plays such an important role in the events described by the political pamphlet on The Last Days and Testament of Alexander the Great 373 and who may be the author of the tract, is attested only once outside the work: Holcias, a commander of infantry, led an uprising of some 3,000 troops against Antigonus in 319 bc.	alkı	praise
Iolaus	there are 3 (2 of them Macedonian)	Yolluğ/Yollug	lucky
Mauaces	Commander of the Sacae (i.e., Scythian) mounted archers (hippotoxotai) at Gaugamela	bayak	predecessor; bay: rich, numerous
Musicanus (Mousikanos	Indian dynast of southwestern Sogdia; ruler of the Mushika.	buzi-kan	khan: the Türkic title
Ochus (Ochos)	Son of Darius III and Stateira,	okuz/öküz:	bull
Orontopates	Prominent Persian, as is clear from his later position at Gaugamela (331 bc) and son-in-law of Pixodarus, who had usurped the satrapy of Caria	oron	throne
Orthagoras.	Author of a work called Indikoi Logoi, men- tioned by both Nearchus and Onesicritus.	orta: the middle	gor: place?, koru: protected place?
Oropius	The name is uncertain and looks more like an ethnic, but it could be a corruption of an Iranian name. Dexippus makes the curious comment that Oropius ruled Susiana not by “ances- tral right” but as an appointee of Alexander	orop: to warp, to tie	to bridle
Oxicanus	he form Oxycanus (given by Berve no. 587) is unattested in the MSS. Indian dynast, nomarches of a region of Sind, perhaps based at the city of Azeika (PtGeog 7.1.57; Eggermont 12). He did not submit to Alexander, who was sailing down the Indus from Alor (Musicanus’ realm; summer 325) and took two of his cities by assault, capturing Oxicanus in the second (A 6.16.1–2).	okuz/öküz: bull	khan: the Türkic title
Parysatis	The youngest daughter of Artaxerxes III Ochus	pars/paris	leopard
Porticanus	ndian dynast (Str 15.1.33 [701]), ruler of the Praesti (C 9.8.11; cf. Lassen ii2 186). Eggermont 11–12 would make him ruler of Pardabathra (PtGeog 7.1.58); hence we should distinguish between Oxicanus (A 6.16.1–2), who ruled Azeika	khan	Türkic title
Sabictas	Possibly a high-ranking Persian – or perhaps a native Cappadocian – Sabictas was appointed satrap of Cappadocia near Taurus	sabık	it is a very old personal name (Sabık Basar)
Satibarzanes	Satibarzanes. Noble Persian. Satrap of Areia and commander of the satrapal levies at Gaugamela (A 3.8.4). He is otherwise unattested in the battle.	satı-bars	satı-barsın? of SATI-BARS? Sati is a very old personal name.
Sauaces	(Sabakes; Sauakes; also Sataces, Tasiakes or Stasiakes). Satrap of Egypt under Darius III, in late 333 bc Sauaces led the Egyptian contingent to Issus where he fell on the battlefield	sayak: from say-: to be respectful	or maybe sayak like yellow?
Sibyrtius	Macedonian	Sibir/siber/Sawur, etc.	a Türkic peoples
Sippas	The name is otherwise unattested. Sippas was left as strategos in Macedonia, when Antipater moved south into Thessaly in 323	sıpa<sıp	2-year-old colt; donkey colt
Sisines	(Also Sisenes). Prominent Persian, but of unknown family back- ground. According to Curtius	sis: sharp stick	şişen: he who swells (fat), from „sɨš-, šɨš-, šiš-„1 to swell 2 swelling, tumour
Sisygambis	(also Sisyngambris). Mother of Darius III, Oxyathres, and (possibly) Stateira and four other children	çiçek: flower	amb-: still, relaxed
Tauriscus (Tauriskos)	Man of unknown family, apparently a Greek (cf. Pape & Benseler 1495).698 He was perhaps a mem- ber of Alexander’s army or entourage and befriended Harpalus, whom he persuaded to flee from Alexander shortly before the battle of Issus.	tau: mountain	er: warrior
Teutamus (Teutamos).	Unattested in the Alexander historians, but possibly a mem- ber of the hypaspists (Argyraspids) during the King’s lifetime	toy- to get satiated	toy: a bird of pray, suffix -mis is very often in Old Türkic, like in the personal name Toktamis
Thrasybulus	(Thrasyboulos; Thrasyboulus). Athenian. Son of Thrason. Born no later than 375; he appears in a naval list of 353/2 (IG ii2 1613.270); he served with Chares at the Hellespont.	oulu/oglu	the son of…
Zopyrion	Macedonian. Zopyrion suc- ceeded Memnon as strategos of Thrace. He conducted an expedition, allegedly totaling 30,000 (J 12.2.16; 37.3.2), against the Getae, marching to the Borysthenes and besieging Olbia in 325	çopur	pock-marked, veriegated
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akontistai.	Javelin-men.	Akınla-:	to lead the warriors march
gynaion	A “little woman.” , The term can be used affectionately of an older woman or pejoratively of a woman of low standing or of a mistress or common-law wife	kün	second wife, (kuma)
hegemon	a military leader or commander	egemen	souvereign
toxotai	archers	okçu	archer

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