Thursday, February 8, 2024

Hungarian-patkany-cickany-Turkic-Sican-batagan

 

pic: wiki (rat) 


Bulgaristan doğumlu babannem büyük sıçana patkan derdi. Wiki, Bulgarca'ya Macarca sıçan anlamına gelen patkány'den geçme, diyor.

Macarca'ya da Bizans Yunancası Pontikos sıçanından geçme, deniyor.

μῦςποντικός (mûs pontikósrat)
Ama Macarca/Bulgarca deyince bir kulakları kaldırmak gerekiyor. Eski Türkçe -gan/-kan yapım eki üretken!

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My grandmother, who was born in Bulgaria, called the big rat "patkan". Wiki says Bulgarian word is of Hungarian origin, from patkány (meaning rat).

 Wiki says that Hungarian patkany derived from Byzantine Greek Pontikos rat:

"μῦς ποντικός (mûs pontikósrat, literally pontic mouse)"

 But when it is about Hungarian or Bulgarian languages, we have to lift our ears and this is what I do now.

 Old Turkish -gan/-kan suffix is ​very ​productive!

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Isırgan, saksağan, tavşan (tavışgan) gibi sözcükler ilk aklıma gelenler. Yine Macarca'da son ek olarak onla aynı cickány, 'faregil' demek, Türkçe sıçgan'dan (sıçan) geçme. Peki Türkçe pat-/bat- kökü > batak(lık) + gan bir öneri olamaz mı? 
(veya batagan = çabuk kaybolan)?

Bence, Pontikos mus'tan daha gerçekçi benim önerim!
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Words like ısırgan (nettle), saksağan (magpie),  tavşan<tavışgan (rabbit) are the first words that come to my mind with this suffix.
Again, in Hungarian there is an other rat-word cickány, with the "same" suffix, meaning 'shrew', derived from Turkish sıçgan / sıçan (rat).

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Now the new idea:

Could Turkish root pat-/bat- (>BATIK/BATAK: marsh, swamp) + suffix kan/gan be a bad suggestion for that "rat word"?

or batagan/patagan = meaning quick-lost? 
(bat-: to sink, to go down)

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In my opinion, my suggestion is more realistic than Pontikos mus!

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