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Servus,

Unter Konungr bei Wikipedia lesen wir: 


"Der konungr (Siehe meinen Blog über Kün-König-King) war der ranghöchste regionale Führer. Er wurde in der frühen Zeit aus der Gruppe der jarlar (Englich Earl) bestimmt." (Die alte Form ist Erilaz)."

Jar-lar (denke ganz kurz an Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars, aber stop! -> weiter) hört sich an wie er-ler (türkisch : die Männer, -ler -lar ist Plural-Suffix) oder Jarl: yer-li: der Krieger des Ortes oder der Man mit Grund (Yer=Erde), Gutsherr.

"Er" bedeutet im Türkisch seit eh und je: Mann, Krieger. (ähnlich in deutscher Sprache :)


Dann erzählt wikipedia weiter:

"Die isländischen Übersetzungen aus dem Lateinischen verwenden für comes, praefectus, praeses und proconsul das Wort Jarl. Pontius Pilatus wird als Pilatus jarl bezeichnet."


Titel kommt nach dem Namen, das kenne ich im Türkischen auch: Wir sagen zum Beispiel nicht Captain Adem, sondern Adem Captain, nicht Onkel Adem sondern wie beim "Pilatus Jarl", Adem Onkel. Nicht nur die Bedeutung des Wortes sondern auch die Benutzung im Satz ist ähnlich. Zuerst der Name, dann der Titel.

Ok weiter mit Wikipedia: 

"Die alten Jarlar hatten einen Treffen für  politische Entscheidungen, die Tage gedauert hat namens TING, (Thing)."

3 Wörter, die man berücksichtigen könnte, bei der Etymologie des Wortes TING:

* Toy: sehr altes Wort für Parliament aus dem Türkischen. (oder wie TAY in Kurul-tay  = wie der Tag im Bundestag?)
By the way: Kur- bedeutet "regulieren" und Kurul means Parliament. Von daher Kurul=> curia, Kurie, curie im Latein?) (Adile Ayda's These) Mario Alinei akzeptiert diese These.

* Dazu kann man noch sagen: Komen-TON bedeutet Pecheneg general council (Kumanen-Tagung) (Für Weiteres siehe meinen Blog über Komon-dor).

* Ähnliches habe ich im Türkischen mit "düğün" kommt vom Wort "düğüm" mit der Bedeutung, (fest) zubinden und Vertrag, düğün bedeutet heute nur noch "Hochzeit".
Hochzeit ist ein Wort mit der Bedeutung "Vertrag" und "Zusammenkunft".

Nicht genug? Da ist noch eine Möglichkeit:


* Eine letzte Möglichkeit gibt es im Türkischen: TÜN, Tüne-mek. Tün bedeutet die Nacht, Tüne-mek (Verb) bedeutet Übernachten. Da "Ting" mehrere Tage gedauert hat, könnte es auch so eine Erklärung geben.

Für weitere Infos über Jarlar, bitte ganz unten lesen.

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About Konungr we read by Wikipedia (translated from German by me):

„The Konungr (look at my blog about Kün-König-King) was the highest-ranking regional Leader.

He was elected by jarlar (English earl). (The old form it was Erilaz)."

Jar-lar (please read it like -yarlar-) sounds like er-ler (In Turkish „the men“, "er" means the man and suffix -ler, -lar makes the noun plural. (Think very shortly about Jar Jar Binks of Star Wars!...now keep on reading...).

Or Jarl = yerli = the warrior of this place or laird or the lord of the manor. 

"Er" means und meant in Turkish, since Adam and Eve, always „the man“ and of course „the warrior“.

Then we read by wikipedia further (translated from German by me):

„The Icelandic translations of Latin (words) use the word Jarl for comes, praefectus, praeses and proconsul. For example Pontius Pilatus = Pilatus Jarl. 

That shows us, that the titel comes after the Name. It is certainly same in Turkish: we don’t say, Captain Adem but Adem Captain. Or not Uncle Adem but Adem Uncle. Also not only in meaning but also same in form, too?

We read Wikipedia further (my translation):

„the Old Jarlar came together for a meeting for political  decisions that took many days called TING, (Thing).“

3 words i would put forward: 

• Toy = a very old word for Parliament in Turkish "tay" in "Kurul-tay" (Kur-=to regulate)       Kurul (Meeting for political Subjects) <=> Curie, Curia, Kurie (in Latin) (Adile Ayda's thesis). This thesis is accepted by Mario Alinei, too.

• There is a similar word like toy => ton in "Komen-TON". It means Pecheneg general council (Kuman Parliament). (For further Information read my blog about Komon-dor).

• There is another word called „düğün“ like „düğüm“ meaning not only „tie firmly“ or „fasten“, but also contract, agreement. Düğün means nowadays only wedding, that word includes still a contract and an agreement, too. 

Ok, not enough? :)

• There is  an interesting word in Turkish TÜN, and (verb) tüne- meaning the night or to spend the night. TING can be derived from that word, too, with the meaning that "the MEETING" lasted many nights (days).

For further Info about jarlar, please read below!

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Konungr maddesi için wikipedia diyor ki (kendi çevirim):

„Konungr (Benim Kün-König-King blogumu okuyun) eski zamanların Avrupası’nda en yüksek rütbeli komutandı. Jarlar (Okunuşu yarlar) tarafından seçilirdi. Ingilizcesi earl (Earl Gray çayı’ndaki gibi).“

Burdaki Jarlar (Hatta Star Wars’daki Jar Jar Binks?, neyse!) bizim Türkçemizdeki erler kelimesiyle çok benzer. Hatta çoğul olması beni daha da bir etkiler. Dilimizdeki -ler -lar eki, bence bu jarlar kelimesindeki haliyle bizdeki hali aynı. Yani Kagan’ı seçenler Erler. Bunun yanında yer-li kelimesine benzerlik de söz konumuz olabilir. Hem oralı hem de yeri olan anlamında olabilir.

Er kelimesi kaç bin yıldır erkek ve asker anlamına gelir dilimizde, uzun uzun anlatmaya gerek yok.

Wikipedia devam ediyor (Almanca’dan benim çevirim):

Izlandalı çevirmenler Latince comes, praefectus, praeses ve proconsul gibi ünvanlarını çevirirken Jarl kelimesini kullanmışlardır. Ama daha da ilginci, Türkçe’ye uygun kullanmışlardır: (Pontius=Liderlik SIFATI) Pontius Pilatus yazarken Pilatus Jarl demişlerdir, yani biz nasıl Adem Yüzbaşı deriz Yüzbaşı Adem (Ingilizce ve Almanca böyledir) yerine, ya da Adem Amca deriz Amca Adem yerine, Izlandalılar da ünvanı isimden sonra kullanmışlardır. Yani demek istediğim şu: Sadece kelime benzer degil, kullanımı da benzer. Önce isim, sonra ünvan.

Wikipedia ile devam edelim: 

„Eski Yarlar biraraya gelip karar  almak için TING (THING) denen toplantılar yapmışlardır.“

Benim 3 tane önerim var TING kelimesi hakkında:

* Toy: Eski Türklerde meclis. Toy, Kurul-tay’daki „tay“ gibi de olabilir ( Almancası Tag, Alman meclisi misal: Bundestag) . Adile Ayda Latince Curia (Kurie) kelimesinin Türkçe "Kurul" dan geldigini söyler. Mario Alinei de bunu kabul eder.

• Peçenek Türkleri Meclislerine Komen-ton demişlerdir. Yani Kuman-TON. Ting ve Ton kelimeleri arasındaki benzerlik açıktır. (Komon-dor ve kumandan hakkındaki bloglarimi okumanızı tavsiye ederim).

• Burada „düğün“ ve „düğüm“ kelimelerini de kullanabiliriz. Düğüm, bağlamak (bu kural beni bağlamaz derken hala bu kelimeyi kullanmak normaldir) da Anlaşma anlamına pekala gelebilir. Evlenen insanlar arasında bir antlaşma olması gerektir, düğün işte bundan düğüm’dür.

• Hadi son bir önerimi de okuyun: 

   TING kelimesi pekala "gece" anlamındaki „TÜN“ kelimemizden geliyor olabilir. Tüne-mek de aynı kökten, yani gecelemek. Bu TING toplantılarında biraraya gelen komutanlar tabii ki günlerce, geceler boyu tünüyorlardı. Mecburen. 

Uzunbacak Adem 

Yarlar hakkında daha fazla bilgi aşağıda:

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General Infos about this subject from Wikipedia:

Die früheste Verwendung des Jarlsbegriffs taucht in Runen-Inschriften aus dem 5. Jahrhundert auf. Die Inschriften sind von der Mitte Norwegens bis nach Südschweden und Fünen zu finden. In diesen Texten heißt der Jarl erilaR. Alle haben vor erilaR ein betontes ek (= ich) stehen. Oft nennt sich der erilaR mit seinem Namen, woraus sich ergibt, dass es sich um einen Titel handelt. Die Seltenheit der Inschriften weist auf einen kleinen Kreis der Nutzer und damit auf den hohen Rang verbunden mit einer Bildung hin, die die Kenntnis der Runenschrift beinhaltet. Oft stellen die Texte die Schriftkundigkeit des erilaR besonders heraus. Der erilaR war auch Runenmeister. Da die Runen einen magischen Kontext hatten, muss der Jarl auch in einen religiösen Kontext gestellt werden. Hier und da ist auch von Weihehandlungen durch den erilaR die Rede. Bei der gesellschaftlichen Funktion dürften religiöse Aufgaben (bei Opferfesten) und profane Herrschaftsausübung nicht zu trennen sein.^[2]

An earl (/ɜːrl/)^[1] is a member of the nobility. The title is Anglo-Saxon in origin, akin to the Scandinavian form jarl, and meant "chieftain", particularly a chieftain set to rule a territory in a king's stead. In Scandinavia, it became obsolete in the Middle Agesand was replaced by duke (hertig/hertug/hertog). In later medieval Britain, it became the equivalent of the continental count (in England in the earlier period, it was more akin to a duke; in Scotland it assimilated the concept of mormaer). However, earlier in Scandinavia, jarl could also mean a sovereign prince.^{[citation needed]} For example, the rulers of several of the petty kingdoms of Norway had the title of jarl and in many cases they had no less power than their neighbours who had the title of king. Alternative names for the rank equivalent to "earl/count" in the nobility structure are used in other countries, such as the hakushaku of the post-restoration Japanese Imperial era.

See also: Ríg (Norse god) for the account in Norse mythology of the warrior Jarl or Ríg-Jarl presented as the ancestor of the class of warrior-nobles.

The term earl has been compared to the name of the Heruli, and to runic erilaz.^[3] Proto-Norse eril, or the later Old Norse jarl, came to signify the rank of a leader.^[4]

The Norman-derived equivalent count (from Latin comes) was not introduced following the Norman conquest of England though countess was and is used for the female title. Geoffrey Hughes writes, "It is a likely speculation that the Norman French title 'Count' was abandoned in England in favour of the Germanic 'Earl' […] precisely because of the uncomfortable phonetic proximity to cunt".^[5]

In the other languages of Britain and Ireland, the term is translated as: Welsh iarll, Irish and Scottish Gaelic iarla, Scots yarl or yerl, Cornish yurl.

Some of the most significant Earls (Welsh: ieirll, singular iarll) in Welsh history were those from the West of England. As Wales remained independent of any Norman jurisdiction, the more powerful Earls in England were encouraged to invade and establish effective "buffer states" to be run as autonomous lordships. These Marcher Lords included the earls of Chester, Gloucester, Hereford, Pembroke and Shrewsbury (see also English Earls of March).

The first Earldoms created within Wales were the Lordship of Glamorgan (a comital title) and the Earldom of Pembroke.

Tir Iarll (English: Earl's land) is an area of Glamorgan, which has traditionally had a particular resonance in Welsh culture.^[7]

n Rígsþula, Rig wanders through the world and fathers the progenitors of the three classes of human beings as conceived by the poet. The youngest of these sons inherits the name or title "Ríg" and so in turn does his youngest son, Kon the Young or Kon ungr (Old Norse: konungr, king). This third Ríg was the first true king and the ultimate founder of the state of royalty as appears in the Rígsþula and in two other associated works. In all three sources he is connected with two primordial Danish rulers named Dan and Danþír.

Traveling further, Rígr came to a mansion inhabited by Faðir (Father) and Móðir (Mother). They gave him excellent food served splendidly and, nine months later, Móðir gave birth to a beautiful baby named Jarl (earl or noble), whose hair was blond and who was bleikr (bright white in color). When Jarl grew up and began to handle weapons and to use hawks, hounds, and horses, Rígr reappeared, claimed him as his son, gave him his own name of Rígr, made him his heir, taught him runes, and advised him to seek lordship.



Source/Quelle/Kaynak: Wikipedia