Ancient-Macedonian-months-name-Gorpiaios-vs-Turkic-Koerpe-Ay

 

Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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English translation:

Eleventh month of the ancient national lunar year of the Macedonians, beginning with the autumn equinox, corresponding to the Athenian Metageitnion (Julian July/August). It is found partly in Macedonia itself, for example in a letter from King Philip V to the Larisaians in 214 BC, Athen, and partly in the documents of the states that emerged from the empire of Alexander, even in the Roman-oriental solar year up to the Byzantine period. Whether the month also occurs on Cyprus depends on the reading of the Athens inscription. 

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Shortly: Gorpiaios is the Ancient Macedonian name of a month, beginning on the 22th of September; that means in our modern times September/October. 

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Its name is not explained, adds M. Pauly later.

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Now my turn:

Türkish adjective/nomen "körpe" means late fruit/crop, product that appears after its season has passed and "ay" means simply "the month". This Macedonian month is a 100 % compatible with the Türkish Körpe-Ay in form and meaning.

Still coincidence Indo-Europeanists?

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Türkçe çevirisi:

Eski Makedonyalıların antik ulusal ay yılının on birinci ayı, sonbahar ekinoksuyla başlar ve Atina Metageitnion'una (Julian Temmuz/Ağustos) karşılık gelir. Kısmen Makedonya'nın kendisinde, örneğin MÖ 214'te Kral Philip V'in Larisalılara yazdığı bir mektupta, Atina'da ve kısmen de İskender imparatorluğundan çıkan devletlerin belgelerinde, hatta Bizans dönemine kadar Roma-doğu güneş yılında bulunur. Ayın Kıbrıs'ta da bulunup bulunmadığı Atina yazıtının okunuşuna bağlıdır.....

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Kısaca diyeyim: 

Gorpiaios 22 Eylül'de başlayan bir ayın Antik Makedonca adıdır; bu, modern zamanlarımızda Eylül/Ekim'e denk gelir.

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Adının kökeninin açıklanmadığını daha sonra M. Pauly de ekler.

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Şimdi sıra bende:

Türkçe sıfat/ad "körpe" geç mahsul, mevsimi geçtikten sonra ortaya çıkan ürün anlamına gelir, "ay" sözcüğünü de açıklamama gerek yok sanırım. 

Bu Antik Makedon ayı, biçim ve anlam olarak Türkçe Körpe-Ay (Geç-Ürün Ayı) ile %100 uyumludur.

Hala tesadüf mü diyelim, Hint-Avrupacılar?

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Uzunbacak Adem 

Roman-Gens-Tuticia-versus-Turkic-Tutik

 

Source: wiki

There was an obscure plebeian family of imperial times at ancient Rome called Tuticius. 

Wiki is the one and only source where we can find a bit information:

"The nomen Tuticius belongs to a class of gentilicia originally formed from cognomina ending in -ex and -icis. As these became widespread, -icius came to be regarded as a regular gentile-forming suffix, which was used to form gentilicia from other nomina. Tuticius might have been formed in this manner from the existing nomen Tutius, an Oscan or Latin name perhaps derived from the Oscan word touto, a people, or Latin tutus, "safe".^"

^{Wiki tells something about the name and possible origin.} 

^{But it is not sure about that.} 

^{The members of this family lived in the first centuries} 

^{after Jesus. There are many stones where we can read} 

^{their name.} 

^{(See below the links at the end!)}

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^{My turn:} 

^{I have shown that many Roman families} 

^{could have had Türk origin like Gens Otacilia, Gens Ogulnii,} 

^{Gens Hortensii, Gens Turcius, Gens Turullius....}

^{I have an etymological proposal about the name Tuticius, too.}

Tutık/Tutug means in Old Türkic the slave, derived from the verb tut-, meaning the catch ,to hunt, to keep. 

There are many Tutık/Tutug in the Türk history like: 

Shad Tutık of the Türk Kimek tribe, Tay Bilge Tutuk, Çiğil Tutuk on the Orkhun Stones, Kuşı Tutık the opponent of Kül Tigin, and others..

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Possible scenario: The family member came to Rome as slaves and worked their way up. Like Mamluke Türks who came to Egypt and India as slaves and became even rulers of those lands.

Possible?

Why not?

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At least I have something more concrete in my hand, don't I?

Uzunbacak Adem

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Links: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuticia_gens

https://db.edcs.eu/epigr/epi_url.php?s_sprache=en&p_publication=CIL+06%2C+01925&r_sortierung=Belegstelle

https://db.edcs.eu/epigr/epi_url.php?s_sprache=en&p_publication=CIL+06%2C+27849&r_sortierung=Belegstelle

https://edh.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/inschrift/suche?literatur&list&sort=fundstelle&start=41220&anzahl=100

http://romans1by1.com/rpeople/11442

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/List_of_Roman_gentes

Turkish-proposals-to-the-names-in-Paulys-Realencyclopedia-Letter-E

 

Paulys Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Pauly's Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

Letter E

Findings in March 2025

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I have looked through Türkish window at the names that I have read in the Pauly's Realencyclopädie der classischen Altertumswissenschaft

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Uzunbacak Adem

Pauly Word	Info	Türkic Word	Info	Extra Info
Ebusus	today Ibiza	su	water
Echetlus	an Attic hero who helped the Athenians in the Battle of Marathon with his ploughshare in the costume of a farmer	ek-: to sow	>eke in Hungarian for plough	eke-t: plural
Egirca	Station in Dacia Mediterranea	egir-	lay siege to, to surround	in Thrace
Egrilius	(sometimes Aegrilius), a Roman family from Ostia, whose main line bore the cognomen Plarianus, belonging to the Senate in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD. The wealth of the house is evidenced by the large number of Aegrilians (mostly Auli Egrilii) on inscriptions from Ostia, mostly freedmen or descendants of such (cf. CIL XIV Index).	eğrili/eğrilü: the name of an old Yürük clan, this name is a typical Türkish name though	Egerlig: saddled (eyerli Modern Türkisch)	Gens Egrilia (Roman Gentes)
Egretios	Indian opponent of Dionysus	egreti/eğreti: temporary	<egre-: to accumulate, to gether
Eidomene	(Eἰδομενή), daughter of Pheres (Apollod. I 96) or of Abas (II 27), by Amythaon, the son of Cretheus, mother of the seer Melampus and of Bias.	ene	mother
Eikur	Near Indian village of the Dravidian Soretai or Soringai	ey/üy/ev/eb: house	kur-: to span, to stretch	Ev Kur-: to make a house maybe with the sense of stretching the frame of a big tent
Eilaios	is the name given to the twelfth month of the Delphic calendar year in some inscriptions (Collection of Greek Dialect Inscriptions II 1684, 1. 1732, 2. 1827, 1. 2095, 1. 2279, 1. 2322, 2).	ay	month
Eiman	According to the Hemerologium Florentinum (Ideler Chronology I 426), the third month of the Cretan calendar of the Roman period, which lasted from November 23 to December 23, was called.	ay	month
Eisdikaia	(Εἰσδίκαια), fort in Thrace,	dik-kaya	steep rock
Ekbasos	(Ἔκβασος), son of the Argive king Argos by Euadne, daughter of Strymon, grandson of Zeus and Niobe.	ak: white; baş: head (chieftain)	An a ~ e shift was eventually possible
Ekbasios, Ekbasia	(Ἐκβάσιος, Έκβασία), epicleseis of deities worshipped by sailors and to whom sacrifices were made especially after a safe landing and return home; cf. Ecbateria, Embasios. 1. In Cyzicus there was a cult of Apollo Ecbasios, supposedly a foundation of the Argonauts, Apoll. Rhod. I 966. 1186. This is the same cult in which Apollo also led the epicleseis Iasonios and Cyzikenos, cf. Deilochos and Socrates Ἐπικλήσεις in Schol. Apoll. Rhod. I 966. 2. In Byzantium there is a cult of Athena Ecbasia; The altar stood on the Bosporus Akra, supposedly on the spot where the first Greek settlers landed and immediately became involved in battles, Dionysius. Byz. frg. 8. On Athena's relationship to seafaring, see Preller-Robert Griech. Myth. I 217.	ak: white; baş: head (chieftain)	An a ~ e shift was eventually possible	baş: head, in this concept maybe the head of the land
Ekineia	City founded by Murena on the border of the Mithridatic Empire, Memnon FHG III 544.	ekin	field crop, grain
Elaia	(ἡ Ἐλαία, from the olive trees; the singular of plant names often denoting localities, in ancient Greece [cf. Steph. Byz. Συκαί and Τρεμιθοῦς] and in modern Greece, Πλάτανος and similar), frequently occurring name of small towns in the area of ​​the eastern Mediterranean basin. Often confused with Ἐλέα.	yağ	oil,
Elektra (many word with)	shiny, radiant	yal-: to burn,	radiant, light, burning, blaze, etc…	Old Türkish yulak: small fountain, spring
Eleutii	Eleutheans, a nation of Iapygia	el	Heimat
Elicius	(from elicere), nickname of Jupiter	yal-: to burn, to shine	yaldrik or yuldrik “shine, spark”	Modern Türkish YILDIRIM
Eligeus	(Ἐλιγεύς), Epiclesis des Dionysos auf Samos, Hesych.	Elig	King
Elis (many)	toponym - name of many towns	el	Heimat, City
Elixos	(ὁ Ἔλιξος vielleicht von ἑλίττω mit ionischer Psilosis = Krummbach) Regenbach auf der Insel Keos, Strab. X 487. Sein Trockenbett zieht sich vom jetzigen Dorf Liwádion nach Süden durch eine Schlucht und dient im Sommer als Saumpfad nach dem jetzigen Städtchen Keos.	yulak	Old Türkish for small fountain, spring	yulak su?
Ellac	oldest son of Attila	el	Heimat, City	Elig: King
Eltynaia	?, Ethnikon oἱ Ἐλτυναιεῖς Mon. ant. I 1889, 39, 7 = Michel Recueil 26), city on Crete, mentioned in the alliance treaty between Eumenes II of Pergamon in 185 BC (then autonomous) immediately after the Elyrians and Hyrtacinians and before the Anopolites, Eradennians and Istronians.	el: City, Land	tunga: tiger	See Türk hero Alp Er Tunga; possible, too, that ERTUNGA was ELTYNA?
Embasios	(Ἐμβάσιος), epiclesis of Apollo, to whom sacrifices are made when setting out to sea.	bas	head, chieftain	like in Basileos
Embaterion	Military march of the Spartan flute players (Herod. VI 60. Thuc. V 70, see Polyaen. I 10), as well as an anapestic song sung to it (Mar. Victor. G. L. VI 77 K.	batur-	(with a spear) to thrust	>batrak: the flag, a march with a flag?
Emnetzur	(fl. 460) was a Hunnobleman and a blood relative of Attila. (Elimncur, Elmingir, Elmincir)	ilmen: The word İlmen means statesman and loyal to his state and tent, and is the name given to the Altınorda Sanjak. İlmen Turks are Cumans (Kıpchaks) who came from the Caucasus and ensured the Islamization of the Altınorda. They came to Konya and united with the Men tribe belonging to the Oghuz Sarıkeçeli tribe and formed İlmen around today's Beyşehir Lake.	there are many ilmen toponyms in modern Türkiye and one hydronym	elmin-çor ~ ilmen-çor? See ilmen Türkleri Çor is a military rank/leader and a component to make name/nicknames like Kül-Çor or Küli-Çor, etc. It is again an indicator for the Türkishness of the Huns,.
Eordaikos	Ἐορδαϊκὸς ποταμός, river in Illyria, probably the right source of the Apsos, now called Devol, Arrian. anab. I 5, 5. Cf. Eordaia No. 2. Leake North. Greece III 281.	See the river Daïx(Gen. Δάϊκος) whose name is Türkish	it shows that the Illyrian region in those times  was somehow Türkish or Türks were already in that region	Pauly says: Das Wort (Daïx (Gen. Δάϊκος)) ist hunnisch-türkisch: jajygh (aus jatygh) ‚ausgebreitet‘ von jat-, jaj- ‚sich ausbreiten‘; dem Anlaut j legt sich im Türkischen gern ein unorganisches dan, daher die echte Aussprache Djajygh. Die aus Innerasien ausgezogenen Chunoi (s. d.) erscheinen im Pinax des Ptolemaios bis an den Borysthenes gerückt.
Epona (Epana)	Epona was a protector of horses, ponies, donkeys, and mules. She was particularly a goddess of fertility, as shown by her attributes of a patera, cornucopia, ears of grain, and the presence of foals in some sculptures.	yabı: horse	ana: mother	my proposal is better than any other, mor meaningful
Er	Bearer of the final myth of Plato's 'Republic', son of Armenius. S X.	er	man, soldier
Erai	(Ἐραί Thuc. VIII 19, 2; Ἔραι Strab. XIV 644), small town (πολίχνιον Strab.) in Ionia in Asia Minor, southeast of Erythrai in the territory of the Teians; see Art. Airai Suppl. I p. 39 and F. Imhoof-Blumer Kleinasiatische Münzen 512. Cf. Ruge Peterm. Mitt. XLVIII (1892) 221.	er: soldier, man	ay: moon	Eray
Erakton	Ἤρακτον), Sarmatian city on the Tyras, Ptol. III 5, 15. According to the longitude and latitude measurements, E. lies about 875 stadia (143 km) from the mouth of the Tyras (Dniester) and the Greek trading city of the same name (near present-day Akkerman); and since Ptolemy clearly records the stations of an itinerary following the river inland from this city, E. can be placed approximately near present-day Dubossary, above the mouth of the Reut into the Dniester	aktın-	to sink; to flow	er: soldier. Compatible with the Türkish onomastics. ER-AKTIN could mean : place where the soldier sink(sank). A swamp?
Erarichus	(Ἐράριχος Ehrenreich), king of the Ostrogoths, a Rugian by descent.	er arık <> arık er	tried man
Eremboi	(Ἐρεμβοί Hom. Od. IV 84. Dionys. perieg. 180. 963; spätere, nicht authentische Nebenform Ἐρεμβαῖοι, Etym. M. 370, 45 und Steph. Byz.), Völkerschaft, welche nach jenem Homerzeugnisse Menelaos auf seinen Irrfahrten besuchte, die ihn, nach der Homerischen Reihenfolge, nach Kypros, Phoinike, Ägypten, Äthiopien, zu den Sidoniern, den E. und nach Libyen führten, in Gegenden also, die zu den Grenzgebieten des östlichen Mittelmeeres gehören.	Eren bay? There is a person with the name Eren Ulug in the Türk history. That is why this name is compatible with the Türkish onomastics	Eren: men, soldiers	bay: rich
Ergane	(Ἐργάνη). Already in Homer, Athena is the goddess of female ἔργα (Hom. Il. IX 390; Od. VII 111 = II 117. XX 72), of weaving (Hom. Il. XIV 178. V 735), and also of other work and craftsmanship (cf. above, vol. II, p. 1944). Art and all crafts are under her protection. epithet	ör-: to weave	eğir-: to spin	Egir, egri, ergi, örgü: r ~ g place change in Türkic is normal.
Erge	(deus), Iberian deity, worshipped in the Pyrenees region	erk	power, strength, authority, influence	ergü: manly power
Erginos 4x	a male name, the most famous one: Mythical king of the Boeotian Orchomenus, representative of the former Minyan rule of this city over Boeotia, also Argonaut.	ergin: a military rank	erkin: a name	ergin, erkin, ergün these are similar name an it shows that then name Erginos is compatible with Türkish onomastics. ergü: many power
Eribas	Archon in Delphi c. 316 B.C. BC	er: soldier, man	baş: head, chieftain
Eric/Erig… words toponyms	many	erig	where the troopers take a break	er-: to reach
Eric/Erig… words andronyms	many	erik	strong
Erinona	is a beautiful maiden who attracted the attention of both Zeus and Adonis, as well as the wrath of Hera and Aphrodite. Her story seems to be a local variant of Adonis's myth originating from the island of Cyprus	erin: lips	ana: mother	erin-: to be lazy, to get lazy
Erinys	are chthonicgoddesses of vengeance in ancient Greek religion and mythology.	erinçü	sin, crime
Eriope	(Ἔριώπη), mother of Ajax according to Hellanicus, according to Pherecydes and Mnaseas she was called Alcimache.	er: man	apa: mother
Eriphe/Erapha	Nurse of Dionysus, Etym. M. p. 372, 4ff. (Kallim. frg. anon. 89 Schn.). As the god's companion on a campaign against the Indians, she sought to throw Lycurgus to the ground, Nonn. Dionys. XXI 81ff. In any case, one should think of ἔριφος kid.	er: man	ebe/epe: mother, granmother
Eris	In Greek mythology, Eris(Ancient Greek: Ἔρις, romanized: Eris, lit. 'Strife') is the goddess and personification of strife and discord, particularly in war, and in the Iliad(where she is the "sister" of Ares the god of war).	Er>	Eris is a limping, ugly and a small woman! have a proposal for the etymology: Erez is a Turkish word containing er (the man) and erez/eres could mean a woman who behaves like a  man. There are other Türkish words like erselik/erselek: hermaphrodite, maybe a nympho, ersek: a man-woman (boyish, German burschikos), ersinmek: showing himself/herself like a brave man...all with the Türkish root er: man. ersek with the meaning nympho could be the key to our explanation. A nympho could be an ugly woman who has no big chances by the men.That is why she is frustrated and hates the beautiful and the men/mankind.
Erkabon	Sarmatian city near Crimea	er: man	Kabun~kavun: melon
Ertaia	(Ἐρταία [?]), town on Crete, Svoronos Numism. de la Crete I 149.	tai: mountain
Ertha	City of the Parthian Empire, located on the Euphrates; Glaucus near Steph. Byz.	tai: mountain
Erymos 2x	Epiclesis of Zeus / A Cyzician	erim	my soldier/my man
Eryks	Eryx, a king of the city of Eryx in Sicily. He was either the son of Poseidon[1]or of Aphrodite and Butes the Argonautof the Elymianpeople of Sicily who she spent several nights with at Lilybaeum to make Adonis jealous.[2][3]Eryx was an excellent boxer but died when Heraclesbeat him in a match.[4]	erik	strong, powerful
Estobara	City in Bactriania, Ptolemy VI 11, 9. The name is Iranian.	ara	the place in between
Euandrios Agon	Εὐανδρίας ἀγών: A beauty contest, which was held among the young team, in Athens at the Panathenaea and Thesea	oyun	game, race
Eudoso	(Εὐδωσώ) Epiklesis of Aphrodite in Syracuse, Hesych. See Doritis, Vol. V, p. 1567, but other relationships between the Epiklesis and Aphrodite are also conceivable; see Vol. I, p. 2766.	toz: powder, dust	eu=ay
Eudoxia, Eedoxias, Eudoxidas, Eudoxios, Eudoxos	many andrnyms and couple of toponyms	Toksı	a very old Türk tribe, ?<tokuz: a very holy number in Türkish culture	eu=ay
Exilium	means exile and place of exile	egsü-	to be missing, to miss, to lack
Ἐξίστασθαι τῶν ὄντων	Existasthai ton onton: refers to the declaration of insolvency of a debtor	egsü-	to be missing, to miss, to lack
Ἐξιτήρια	(or ἐξιτητήρια IG II 481, 6) was, according to Hesych s. v., the day on which the Athenian officials resigned from office.	egsü-	to be missing, to miss, to lack
Exobygitai	(Exobygitae, Ptol. III 5, 10), Sarmatian tribe between the Hamaxobioi and Roxolanoi	bugut	the deers (Mongolian word)
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